Improper heating of 1st floor with new system?
patslion
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New second floor heat pump system ... a few prelim questions
Comments (26)I would not worry about the reciprocating vs. scroll compressor. I actually like the Climatuff (reciprocating) compressors. They are regarded by many in the industry as one of the most durable/reliable compressors ever produced. They are built by Trane, and I myself like them but know others prefer scroll compressors. They are used less in Trane's product line than they were in the past. Seems the scroll compressors can yield greater efficiency ratings in the larger tonnage (>3 ton) size range. As for the indoor air handler match, technically air handlers do not have a "capacity" per se but are given a nominal tonnage rating. The total system capacity is determined by the combination of the outdoor unit/air handler. The combination appropriate for your application would depend on a few factors, including airflow and sensible/latent heat ratio requirement as per your load calc (and compared to expanded performance data for the various rated combinations), as well as physical size restrictions. Capacity and efficiency ratings will vary with each matchup; generally the larger indoor air handlers can yield higher efficiency ratings, but the ratings should not be the sole determining factor for which air handler is selected. Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with all of the service co.'s covering the Annapolis territory to give you a meaningful recommendation. But best of luck to you in selecting the contractor that will size, install, and commission your equipment properly. This post was edited by ryanhughes on Tue, Feb 18, 14 at 23:35...See More1st electric bill with new 14 SEER unit
Comments (15)In my opinion, SEER Payback is NOT being Properly Represented to the Consumers at their normal operating conditions in their climate zones! The SEER ratings are too nebulous & do not translate to the specific application conditions that each consumer will normally have. EER is simpler & more reliable when the systems are correctly sized to the load. The SEER of a system is determined by multiplying the steady state energy efficiency ratio (EER) measured at conditions of 82°F outdoor temperature, 80°F dB and 67°F wB indoor entering air temperature by the Part Load Factor (PLF) of the system. (The PLF is supplied by the government.) Consider, 82-OD 80-ID 50% RH, that is only a 2 degree difference, additionally, at that outside temp we normally do not operate our ACs. You can do a search for my other posts concerning this important issue to consumers. (udarrell SEER) There are several climate zones where we need larger compressors to coil areas. These are climate that are very hot & tose that are extremely humid. The smaller Btuh compressor to coil ratio is NOT design to achieeve optimal results in those conditions. Add to that, Bob Brown who is from Texas stated that: "in new construction Texas Mandated only one (1) Ton of cooling for 750sf of floor area." The least they could do is allow the contractors to use the smaller compressor's tonnage rating for the required 750-sf of floor area. which is less than the matched coil combinations supposedly deliver at their top Rated Conditions. Always ask proof of what the EER combination Rating is of the condenser & E-Coil, & also the compressor's Btuh. In most climate zones I would not go above "the 82-F/80-F Rated" 15-SEER which is - (in this case, in tough heavy humidity load conditions, "nearly meaningless") - the energy star level. Actually, a 14-SEER is my personal top pick. I would also always want a TXV metering device & a Copeland Scroll compressor. udarrell _ 2007 Here is a link that might be useful: udarrell.com...See MoreHelp with new AC/heat system or systems.
Comments (17)Those are valid reasons and at that cost I would probably go with it, but that is completely up to you. Another way you could look at is: get the Performance 13, and when the furnaces fail replace them with variable speed furnaces that will increase the SEER by about the same amount that you would by going with the Performance 16 models now. There would likely not be a combination rating to quantify any such efficiency you would gain with the new furnaces, however. If you get the Performance 16 now you will have a documented, AHRI matched system with a specific SEER and EER. I am more concerned with what he said about his selection of ADP evaporator coils (which you have been quoted), not ones manufactured by Carrier and designed to be used with their equipment. In a straight cooling application, the ADP coils are not a problem with an indoor TEV (metering device), but I personally much prefer to match manufacturer-manufacturer with split systems. Carrier aluminum evaporator coil model number would look like CNPVP****ALA. This post was edited by ryanhughes on Sat, Aug 31, 13 at 11:18...See More1st Quote on Lennox System...need advice
Comments (13)just like the Lennox, it would depend on what Trane models he would be proposing. Trane is very good as well. Chances are, I will put in a Trane system and not Lennox. They also have some good rebates currently or financing options. 4500 sounds about right for the units and items needed for install. 5-6k would be around what you would be looking for if paying someone. I would talk with him about issues you could have after the install, and how willing he is to help you out. Depends how good of a friend they are. I like to help friends out as well, however know when I want to avoid being responsible for something or taken advantage of. A lot of factors come into play with install quality. you can have the best system they sell, and with a bad install, you could be a very unhappy camper. Maybe approach your first quote and request a break down of the numbers? See how much they are charging for units, time, etc. Any contractor/installer should offer you this without issue. If they are hesitant or do not want to...walk away and do not trust them. Chance are they are trying to pull one on you. Being and architect, I deal with this every day with change orders, etc. I ALWAYS request complete break down of prices....See Morepatslion
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