Yes george please let us know! Are you planning on using it exclusively for a while to see how it behaves? I am interested in how soft it leaves clothes as powders tend not to be as soft as liquids.

Some older toploaders, such as an 18lb-capacity Whirlpool or Kenmore classic belt-drive machine from the 1970s, can take upwards of 27 gallons for a single high-level fill.

Maylingsmom, how many gallons of water does your Speed Queen use and how many scoops of zero suds do you use?

I guess I'll give it a whirl on Monday with my whites and my color loads.

Here's an image of the plastic bag of powder and the scoop.

The scoop holds 1 Tablespoon.

The scent is clean floral with a slight off note maybe given by the surfactants but by no means bad or really that noticeable. (It does NOT have that old fashioned clean laundry soap smell like A&H with Oxi).

I'll use the suggested amount 1 scoop for "he" machines and "normal soil".

The only concern I have is that "soap" is listed in the ingredients and Mama has warned us of using true soaps in any washer as they can put a coating on machine parts. It also says NOT to use cold wash water but to use hot or warm.

I'll of course do my whites in hot and for my colors I'll use Eco-Hot (dumbed down hot or warm by old fashioned standards). Warm in the Elux is in 80F range and I think would be on the cool side.

George..this is great that you will get to test this detergent out...I'm excited to try this myself and will order a box soon..however I have a full fill Speed Queen which uses a boat load of water compared to other traditional top loaders on the market so I would need the full 3 scoops at least..and if you read the dosage instructions it says *start with* 2-3 scoops for a top loader so on heavy soils it would probably take even more. No this for sure with my Speed Queen would be way to expensive to use exclusively. But I will buy a box and a few for gifts.

I know the inventor of this detergent. He knows his stuff, I promise. He really does have washers from 1938 to today, and tests in every machine.

The soap should be no issue. You can add soap to any detergent to keeps suds down. I do it often, with no ill affects. Since you are just using it in tablespoon increments, there will not be that much soap in the mix anyway, just enough to keep suds down. Soap solidifies, is not active, and does not dissolve away in cold water.

The soap is interesting. Would that be a suds suppressor? I think there are enough DIY moms making laundry detergent out of Ivory borax and washing soda that machine failures due to soap would be well documented by now. Let us know how it goes! Which AW poster is this?

George...it depends how much Soap is actually in it..there are other detergents that rely on soap to keep suds down so I guess the amount in this would make a difference..I'm hoping Dadoes jumps in on this. But ya this detergent is using the soap as a way to prevent suds and if there are truely Zero suds its probably a high percentage of Soap...George were you planning on using this exclusively? Hopefully we can find out the percentage of soap in this product. I know others over on AW are using this and they for sure know the problems with Soap..so I would say its probably ok. George no OB's might make this a good choice for darks. I would for sure use boosters if your going to continue using it on whites. I really don't want to make any negitive comments about this detergent right now 1'st I don't even have it yet and second the guy that created this is a long term member on AW and spent a very long time formulating this detergent and I believe he for sure knows what he's doing. But I'll see what I can find out as far as the percentage of Soap in this stuff..in the meantime enjoy your Rosalies Zero Suds and keep us posted.

Please remember that ingredient lists are made in order of amount in that product. Since soap is next to last, right in front of fragrance, then I seriously doubt it is that much. Soap + detergent is fine. Soap for some cleaning, softening, and cutting suds. The detergent part does the rest of the cleaning and suspension of dirt and soap particles. Because of the suspension qualities of detergents, there should be zero residue left by soap.

Yep..which is why I stressed that Jet knows what he's doing when he created this detergent. .George I'm sure its completly safe...Joel I also have some finely shaved bar soap for emergencys with suds cakes LOL...and some good ole fashioned veggie oil..a drop or two does the trick.

Mama...I was going to try this with no boosters like STPP. I want to see how it does on it's own. I have soft water so I think I'll be fine. I will use my normal 1/3 cup of bleach in my whites (I just always use bleach with no ill effects since I've had these Target towels for god knows how long, 7 or more years).

Joel...thanks for reassuring me about the soap factor. I got a little nervous when I saw it listed.

Of course you should use it on its own at first that's what testing a detergent is all about..we never know how a detergent works if we add boosters..I ment if you use it long term on whites.

I honestly find it so strange that SOAP would be used, or is used as a suds suppressor. When I think of soap, all I can think of is a sudsy bar of soap!!!! ;)

I really want to try this detergent, and see how it works for myself. I will order it sometime in the near future. :)

What is soap...how does it work...

Not all soap creates lather or bubbles. It will still clean and would suppress suds at 0 fat. Most laundry bars are made this way with a lye excess for alkalinity. A pure olive oil or lard soap for example.

The detergent in the formula will counteract the negative effects of the soap.

George:I have some Target towels also. Bought them on a whim one day years ago and they are still good. Just keep lasting and lasting--I think they are part iron. If I could just find tires that would last as long I would be set. Lol

I would think there is very little soap in the Zero detergent, especially using only 1 Tbls. I can see where using all soap would build up, but then so do liquids and people buy/use those everyday without worry so I wouldn't worry about this Zero Suds.

Results are in...

I did a load of colors and a load of whites.

1 Tablespoon (scoop provided) per load.

Whites done in "White" cycle using hot 58 minute full wash cycle time, approximate 25 min. wash tumble time.

Colors done in "Normal" cycle using Eco-hot 53 minute full wash cycle time, approximate 20 min. wash tumble time.

There were minimal suds in both washes.

There was minimal scent left behind (if any at all).

I did pause the cycle to feel the water, it did NOT feel slippery.

Over all, I guess Zero Suds is OK, I didn't have anything really dirty or stained to test how it would do against dirt/grease stains.

Whites wash...

Color wash...

Color rinse...

George..I wonder if those suds could be residue...there's supposed to be Zero suds...I'm concerned with there being no slippery water. As far as the scent..I believe Jon (the creator) said their would be no scent after they washed that the bit of scent in it is to camo the chemical scents. I think you should do a test..stain a rag with some dirt and food stains and see if they come clean. LOL. did the clothes have a fresh clean scent after washing? For sure this would be very expensive for a top load user to use..I think top loaders require 3 scoops. Maylingsmom has been using this exclusively...it must have cost her an arm and a leg.

Mama...I just finished Larsi's Tide HE powder so this was my first use of Zero Suds. Larsi's Tide was pretty much about the same amount of suds but who knows, it could be residual.

I don't use LFS in my clothes or towels. I only use it in my bedding (where my mom want FS in everything).

Yeah, I don't understand how the water was NOT slippy. When I use regular detergent I feel the slipperiness (even more so with STPP).

The scent was barley there after washing, towels, underwear, socks that go through the dryer smell like...NOTHING.

Yes it is expensive, especially for a top loader.

"Yeah, I don't understand how the water was NOT slippy. When I use
regular detergent I feel the slipperiness (even more so with STPP)."

Perhaps a larger dose of Rosalie's is needed. Add another teaspoon or three if the same situation occurs with the next load.

Dadoes...My normal does for regular he detergents is 2 Tablespoons and I could throw a Tablespoon of STPP in there as well (3 Tablespoons of detergent if the load is really large).

From my understanding the guy that invented it tested it like for every washer. I'm sure he had high capacity front loaders in mind when they came up with the dose. But it doesn't say to add more for bigger machines. That's why I went with 1 scoop (Tablespoon).

So the wash water should be slippery?

So that would cut my 50 load box down to 25 loads...making this one damn expensive detergent (50 load box per 1 scoop per load).

I'll give the 2 scoop dose a try just to see how slippy the water feels.

I used 2 scoops usually but 3 when I tried it on my husband's work clothes. I felt the water and it was slippery for me but I have pretty soft water. I have a Speed Queen and not sure on amount of water. I would have to find what the Speed Queen people sent me.

georgect - I think I figured out for me Rosalie's was 43 cents per load. That is about double a product like Tide (at least in my area).

@maylingsmom...

I payed $15.00 + $8.95 = $23.95 for a 50 load box = .47 per load.

If I use two scoops per load then I'm paying .94 per load.

I may try adding STPP and use one scoop of Zero to stretch my dollar.

georgect - Good grief! I guess it is a good thing I wasn't a math teacher. Mine worked out at .43 for 1 scoop not per load as I said. Since I was using 2 scoops, actually mine was .86 per load. ;(

I'm done with trying boutique detergents. In my opinion most of them don't work. My stable of go-to detergents consists of Tide HE w/ Bleach, Persil Megaperls, Vaska, and Seventh Generation fabric softener.

IMO Tide w/bleach HE Powder can't be beat for cleaning.