Cat Mom..and all Here are the results of using ½ Miele tab with the China Crystal cycle. I had to add more rinse aid so I added Miele Rinse aid. I have used this cycle only one time since IÂve had this machine and that was washing dusty vases. For that first load there was a prewash with no water change between it and the wash, a 22 minute wash, 2 rinses and dry. The load this week contained my everyday soil and dishes and the cycle consisted of a prewash and water change, followed by a 46 minute wash, 3 rinses instead of 2, and dry. The food Soil: I am stating the type of food so you can get an idea of what types of soils are being cleaned in the loads. This load had similar soil to the other load and consisted of: mixed vegetables, carrots, squash, hot oat bran cereal and rice cereals , pasta(noodles), sautéed mushrooms, falafel with hummus and tahini, spinach, coffee, and tea. There were not quite as many dishes in this load as the previous one but the corning pans used to cook the cereals were included and this is 2 day load. No pre rinsing done. In use: The incoming water for the prewash was 77F. Incoming water for the wash was 100F. Incoming water for the first rinse was 96F, second rinse 107F, and the third rinse was 93F. The water hardness was 13. I measured the inside wash water temperature 30 minutes into the wash. The temperature was 111F. The wash lasted about 16 more minutes. An additional rinse was added followed by the dry. Conclusion: Everything was completely clean. I knew the DW could clean well but I never expected to have clean dishes in a water temp this low. The Miele tabs say they clean well cold water but I really didnÂt believe that either. I expected to find some of the hardened bran or rice or something on the dishes. If you are concerned about high temps and detergent causing etching or anyone wants to hand pre rinse their dishes this cycle maybe perfect. It worked for my everyday load of dishes and ½ of the Miele tab was effective with this dried on soil at this temp. I still donÂt believe this but I looked at the dishes. Water conditions will impact results. I have the language setting on my DW set to British English, so the display uses terms common to that language. The china crystal cycle is displayed with the name "Sensor wash gentle" followed by a picture of a wine glass. So if youÂve got a china crystal cycle youÂve really got a sensor wash using cooler water  but still controlling the temperature as well as the cycle composition and water usage. Check your user manual on the program page. If you see the words "as required" when it describes the parts of the china crystal cycle your DW is using the program and soil sensors to control it. I don't know if other DW have cycles using temperatures this low, and I don't know how other detergents may perform at 111F, but the Miele tabs, even 1/2 of it, seem to work well.

i actually emailed USA Electrolux about this. however, i get the distinct feeling that they are just giving me an answer that sounds good, but not true for MY SPECIFIC model! let me first provide what they wrote: ******** "Thank you for contacting Electrolux Major Appliances. Yes, our Electrolux Washers have a internal heater. Our Heater turns on for santize once water fill is complete. The heater maintains a set temperature of 152 degrees Fahrenheit. The Appliance has a Automatic Temperature Control In order for the (ATC), to work properly a selection must be used for the heater to regulate normal water fill selections. Example: ATC Hot- Heater will turn on if the water temp gets below 120 degrees Fahrenheit. ATC Warm- Heater will turn on if the Water Temp Drops below 78 degrees Fahrenheit. ATC Cold- Heater will turn on if the Water Temp Drops Below 65 degrees Fahrenheit. We hope this information was helpful. Thank you for your interest in Electrolux Major Appliances." ******** I say that I don't think this is necessarily true for my specific model is because there is one additional model above my model (my model is the: EIFLW55HIW IQ-Touch Controls) The model above mine is the one with the larger touch panel for controls. This style of menu-driven larger touch screen is only good if everyone who uses this machine is comfortable with using menu-driven touch screens! For those who are less computer literate, who are not as accustomed to menu nesting, they are better off using the "many buttons all laid out on the control panel) type of controls such as the model i bought. Hence I specifically chose mine for this reason. HOWEVER, as much research as i did, i was unable to UNCOVER this detail: they claim that there are no feature differences between the models, merely control panel differences - but that is NOT TRUE! i discovered that after i bought and installed my units :( sadly. The higher end model (the one with the touch screen control panel, but only minimally more money to buy) actually has a "MORE WATER" option!! Due to them sort of hiding the fact that there are indeed actual FEATURE differences between these two models (i have no idea why they'd want to hide this fact!), I would think that the water heater, i.e. the ATC Automatic Temperature Control, might be different in the higher model than my model! What do y'all think, please?

I use whatever is cheap and effective. I used a lot of Arm & Hammer liquid but lately wanted something a little better. Overall it was fine. Tried Great Value (WalMart brand) powder and was very impressed. Long time since I had used powders but this has enzymes and works very well. Tried Sun powder, and although it doesn't have enzymes, it works surprisingly well. I'll sometimes give it a boost with dishwasher detergent as I did with A&H. I used to use Wisk and it was probably about the best overall (that could have changed since though, but I don't know) but I haven't used it in a long time since the price became too much. Used ERA for a while and liked it, though not as well as Wisk. That's when I started using A&H. And there was also a store brand or two that I used with success that are no longer available. I seldom use softener anymore but when I do, it's vinegar in a Downey Ball. FWIW, I tried Tide but I itch from it. Very few brands make me itch, but Tide does it.

Busy thread this weekend. I've had out of state long time dear friend visiting this weekend. I did buy the Sun liquid in the small bottles as I pictured above. The storage for the bottles is scant, on the shelves so these bottles are a very good size. Also many people can benefit with the smaller sizes. I they are 30 load sized bottles. Thanks for all your comments. And I like the idea of continuing to focus on donating to these organizations that always have needs besides food, as Mamapinky comments above.