Slightly O/T: Do you grow any 'proper' HT's?

8 years ago

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'Proper' in the sense that they do not resemble OGRs or Teas but are of the 'classic' cut-rose bloom formation and plant habit.

I do. I used to grow more but I have narrowed them down to a few, mostly not very modern, which are pretty healthy in my climate, make (mostly) fine bushes and are very good to cut to bring inside. A few suffer from a bit of mildew when pressure is high but nothing too extreme. Most are very fragrant. A couple I keep for sentimental reasons. For the most part these are some of the roses that bloom here even in the heat of high summer. I have tried to cut down this list further but I can't bring myself to do it. Here's my list in no particular order:

Ingrid Bergman

Royal William (Duftzauber 84)

Parole (Buxom Beauty)

Senteur Royale (Duftrausch)

Double Delight

Pascali

Peace

Lolita (LitaKOR)

Ave Maria (Sunburnt Country)

Fragrant Gold (Duftgold)

Beverly

Flora Danica (Garden News)

Nostalgie (Nostalgia)

Cherry Brandy (the original version as Tantau have released 3!! roses under the same name and of similar colouring... in 1965, 1985 and 2004).

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

8 years ago

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I have hybrid teas in two places in my garden--highly fragrant ones that line the Perfumed Path that runs through the middle of the largest bed (Double Delight, Elle, Red Intuition, Memoire, Berolina, Valencia, and Oklahoma--you can see part of it below, the HTs growing on the far side of the stepping stones);

and the line of taller, big bloomed roses growing in a row in the narrow bed between my driveway and the neighbor's ugly garage that isn't very far away and which the roses screen a bit. These roses are Peter Mayle, Elina, and the hybrid perpetual Mrs. John Laing (see pic below):

That's all my HTs.

Kate

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mariannese
8 years ago
I grow very few HT's because my climate is not friendly to them. I have a few that I acquired early in my gardening career and have kept those that have survived. Some I got so dirt cheap that it didn't matter much if they survived or not. I got Rose Gaujard by mistake in 1996 and have grown fond of it because it refuses to die. It spent one year in a bucket before I decided that it deserved to be properly planted. I used to mock it because the flower is big as a young savoy cabbage, not my ideal of a rose flower but it really is a good rose. My other HT's are Gruss an Aachen and Madame Caroline Testout, none of them confirming to the ideal of HT's, pale yellow Peaudouce (aka Elina) , white Karen Blixen, orange Princesse (Laperrière 1964) and Sutter's Gold. I keep the yellows and oranges among perennials in my hot border.
nikthegreek
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8 years ago
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My biggest flowered roses are the really huge Parole and Senteur Royale (both pink-violet in colour) with Peace and Duftgold coming third in their good days and Double Delight fourth when it feels like it.
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I also have Oklahoma which, at the moment, is a healthy cutting in a 25cm pot. The original plant is in my brother's garden and was planted by my mother in the early 1970s. It's still going strong and I love its wonderful perfume.

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8 years ago
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8 years ago
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'Lemon Spice'

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Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
8 years ago
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I have a few foot-tall sticks that cling to life: 'Dainty Bess', 'Lady Mary Fitzwilliams', 'Nigrette', if our very hot summer this year didn't do in my last plant of it: this puny rose clings to life amazingly. Doing pretty well, especially considering the bad ground it was planted in, is 'Cl. Mme. Caroline Testout'. This is a very tough rose that does well on its own roots. I have another nameless climbing HT, a beautiful long-budded pink variety, a found rose given to me as a cutting, that's growing in heavy ground without support and doing surprisingly well. I would love to move this to a pergola but am afraid I might lose it, even though I've seen to what extent one can massacre roses during transplanting and still see them come back. I want to take cuttings of this and put the new plant in a more appropriate spot. I have several plants of 'Mme. Jules Bouche' and am hopeful that for some I may finally have created the conditions it needs to reach its full potential. It has a lot of Tea character. Also a puny plant of 'Barcelona', my last survivor of this variety, and I hope I've planted it adequately and it will grow well. 'Barcelona' is tough, but my garden is too often tougher.

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