Dr. Earth alfalfa meal?
ellatiarella (SW Mich 6a)
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countrygirlsc, Upstate SC
8 years agoAnneCecilia z5 MI
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Alfalfa Meal vs. Soybean Meal
Comments (43)Thanks for the link, Gary. I started down that road a while back, trying to find someone who would do a test for me. Some of the places I found online wouldn't do it because I was not in their zip code. I was like, "Huh???" It didn't make sense to me. I don't know if it was a regional funding thing or what, but geeze, no one would take my dirt. :( I found one place on that list you sent that's at least in my area code, so that's the first place I'll call. Thanks....See MoreApplying soybean meal / alfalfa meal to garden
Comments (6)Why don't you just purchase a complete organic granular fertilizer & follow the application directions on the package? Because it's balanced you wouldn't get too much nitrogen which makes for large tomato plants, but few fruits. Beans don't need much nitrogen either, but actually can improve your soil for the tomatoes next year if you alternate the rows. Too much of any one thing with individual soil amendments could cause a problem for your garden and you might not have time to correct & replant before your summer crops planting window is over. Like joel_bc amending the row or planting holes for tomatoes, but not the entire garden is reasonable & cost effective. I've lasagna gardened for our new mixed perennial beds, but not in the vegetable beds. It's amazing how much it composts down from where you mounded it all up. I have used a lot of sheet mulch of various ingredients over the years with great conditioning. I've used alfalfa pellets as a topdressing around flowering shrubs & heavy feeding perennials, but not in the vegetable garden. I also have put them in a watering can to dissolve in the sun warmed water in summer, but it really smelled after a few days. Plus where I piled it up & didn't mix into the soil around the hostas it attracted a stray dog that broke all sorts of plant stems getting into the flower garden. I used the diluted liquid for recent transplants to get them off to a good start when planted in our summer dry season & was only a light green not a dark green color. I would be careful about mixing it into the root zone soil of young plants, but should be safe as a diluted tea mixture. Since I prefer to use soaker hoses for summer watering of vegetable beds, mixing a complete fertilizer into the soil prior to seeding or transplanting is less labor than side dressing or watering with anything additional than tap water. Find out what the organic gardeners in your area add to soils. You don't always have time or money for a good soil test, but they can give you a good idea of the condition of local soils whether usually acidic or alkaline. For example in my area with 60+ inches of rain 9 months of the year we have acidic soils that need yearly fall lime + nutrients even in manure enriched soils. It simply washes out, so I follow the recommended application rate in the spring and use organic mulches as well. Nothing seems overgrown or out of the ordinary, but grows more quickly now than in years when I only used poultry & rabbit manures from our backyard animals. It's worth the extra $ to buy the complete organic fertilizer for me. The brands in my area are Dr. Earth or Whitney Farms and the application rate is different for each, so I just read and follow the directions each time I use it. Hope that helps~ Corrine...See MoreAlfalfa Meal - How Much?
Comments (11)I am in FL with similar temps but the amount of rainfall/watering may be different. In a normal summer we'll have a couple inches a month but it hasn't been normal for years. I have desert conditions whereas rain falls more inland Florida where many vegetable farms are located. In the past my fert. schedule has been a cup or two (dep. on rose size) of alfalfa pellets plus some time release Dynamite fert. pellets twice a year, say March and then September. But I just "invested" in a more complete once-a-year fertilizer when I saw how beautiful CoolRoses plants looked. They graft roses onto Fortuniana and are on Florida's east coast (I'm on FL west coast). Since using this fertilizer mix my roses as well as other plants really got a boost this year. Johnny Becnels "once a year" rose fertilizer (from coolroses.com) 2 c. fish meal 1 c. time release fertilizer pellets 2 Tb. blood meal 1/2 c. alfalfa 1/2 c. epsom salts 1/2 c. dolomitic lime 1/2 c. Milorganite 1/2 c. gypsum pellets The hardest ingredient to find in my small town was the fish meal because the local source was horribly expensive. Amazon had it much less expensive and FREE SHIPPING. How does this vendor make any money, it was 25 lbs! Here's that link http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Earth-749-Fish-25-Pound/dp/B0047BIW9E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1306592341&sr=8-3 Denise Here is a link that might be useful: coolroses.com-fertilizer recipe at bottom...See Moreorganic rose fertilizer
Comments (20)I did some research as to why bagged cow manure WAS HORRIBLE last year: made roses broke out in BS ... also why Encap dry-compost (made from cow-manure & leaves) made La Reine broke out in BS. The additives in cattle-feed are mainly: salt, sugar via molasses, and phosphorus. see link below: http://www.farmandranchguide.com/news/livestock/cattle-feed-what-do-those-vitamins-minerals-and-additives-really/article_dcac4f0b-7d08-5a11-bc3a-8a08e16e15ff.html They put chemicals in cattle-feed, such as salt, ammonium sulfate (acidic), ammonium poly-phosphate, monoammonium phosphate, ammonium chloride, iodine, and molasses. I notice that when I used molasses to deepen the color of my pink blooms .. that induced black spots and attract rose slugs. Fungi growth increases when sugar is added. But the main reason why cow-manure promotes fungal growth is: ANTIBIOTICS are fed to cattle, and these antibiotics kill off the friendly bacteria, so the pathogenic fungi take over. Also excess phosphorus is known to make copper and zinc less available. Zinc and copper are strong anti-fungal agents. Gardenville Sea tea has NPK of 2-3-2, high in phosphorus. The ingredients are: Compost Tea, Omega Protein Refined Fish Emulsion, Feed-Grade Molasses, Humic Acid, Phosphoric Acid, Nutri Leaf Soluble Fertilizer (Potassium Nitrate, Urea, Ammonium Phosphate, http://www.garden-ville.com/products/18/Sea-Tea-2-3-2-Organic-Fertilizer.htm Below document by Texas A & M extension showed how high phosphorus can hurt plants: Here's an excerpt from below link: "Perennial plants frequently have iron and zinc deficiencies caused by excessive phosphorus. Manure and composts should be applied judiciously. Annual soil testing to monitor soil phosphorus levels is recommended." That's why my basil plant became yellowish & stunt, but with many flowers when planted in the hole previously occupied by a blackspot-fest rose. https://aggieturf.tamu.edu/files-2005/phosphorus_Provin.pdf...See MorePatty W. zone 5a Illinois
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