Alfalfa Meal - How Much?
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Alfalfa Meal Heating Up Soil
Comments (20)Hi topgunja, Thanks for the response. My gardening experience is limited to only a few years. Throughout that time I've used only bagged composted chicken manure, alfalfa meal, soybean meal, and various mulches (leaves, grass clippings) to fertilize my soil. I have not seen this heating up occur without significant concentrations of alfalfa meal. Without a lot of alfalfa meal, it does not heat up. But if you put a lot of alfalfa meal under mulch or in a hole, it gets REAL hot in a couple of days. Like as hot as a very hot compost pile. 150 deg F or so. Another strange thing happens. The soil becomes gray over time -- almost like fluffy gray snow. It smells like compost -- very earthy. Not foul. Well... the hot soil smells very foul when it's hot (like decomposing alfalfa, whew!), but it is not foul when I dig up the plants and fine the gray snow soil. I think that the gray is from some kind of cellulose eater. From my research, I think it is the hyphae of actinomycetes. The plants grow fine, but it's kind of a pain because this heat can go one for a couple of weeks before it settles down (especially if there is also soybean meal). I'm still not sure if it's a good thing, but I tend to think that the heat may be good to kill off some soil diseases and soil pests. It also warms the soil in the spring (like a hot bed). With practice it may be useful. One thing is for sure -- it increases the microbial life in the soil. Alfalfa meal and soybean meal have become so expensive here that I use very little of it compared to what I used to. I mostly rely on bagged composted chicken manure and lots of leaf mulch. --- Mike R. Prevost Mad Scientist Gardeneer...See Morekelp meal vs. alfalfa meal
Comments (9)I shoulda mentioned, dchall, i was referring to the 'meals' that i have read that alfalfa was best. what would you recommend fertilizing with? i have been shredding leaves into the lawn, my composting is pretty much tied up in taking care of my landscape plants and veg. garden currently..... and alfalfa (based on using the recommended amount per sq. ft. is quite comparable to using commercial synthetic and organic lawn fertilizers: where a bag of alfalfa pellets runs me about 12 bucks for a 50 lb bag....kelp meal on the other hand, IS expensive, i've seen it on the net for about 35 to 40 bucks for a 50 lb bag, that price doesn't include shipping....See MoreAlfalfa meal - how often can you fertilize?
Comments (10)Well, last year was the first time I used alfalfa pellets. They sounded great, but when I finally got around to using them I had no idea how much to use and didn't bother to find out, so using my own judgment I put about half a feed bucket around each rose. Then, I looked it up and saw everyone saying this cup or two stuff. Oops. The most negative effect of that amount was the smell of the fermenting pellets. The roses were all fine. I remember Julia's rose sent up some basals with a zillion blooms on them that were all smaller flowers them usual due to the quantity. Not an improvement in my opinion, but not plant death by overdose either....See MorePowdery Mildew, alfalfa hay, pellets, and meal
Comments (45)Hi Jim: Alfalfa pellets is OK to use IN CONJUNCTION with gritty lime. When used alone, alfalfa pellets is acidic, and WORSENS black spots. We get so much acidic rain this year, that I see zinc deficiency in the holes which I brought the pH too low with cracked corn (pH 4). Re-quote from earlier link: "Zinc deficiency: Soils that are acidic often have deficient zinc. Michigan State University mentions that zinc deficiencies also are more common in soils that are naturally rich in phosphorus ... Young leaves may be yellowed or reduced in normal size (called "little leaf"), narrower than normal leaves with wavy edges or abnormally expanding and puckered. Another cue is what is called "rosetting"--space between new leaves is very small, and tiny leaves and shoots bunch up into a clustered tuft." Yves seedling's previous hole was acidic ... I put too much pine bark (pH 4). It was a BS-fest with smaller leaves. When I moved it to its new location, the leaves are bigger, shinier, and healthy ....Thanks to my alkaline clay fixed with alfalfa hay (less acidic than alfalfa pellets). CONCLUSION: Alfalfa hay is cheaper, $8 per bale, and great to mix in soil months in advance, to aerate soil and improve drainage. Alfalfa pellets is more expensive, $17 per 40 lb. bag, more acidic, but convenient to use on top, if neutralized by lime. Kordes Barcelona (smaller red bloom) has a fantastic fragrance, and blooms lots with alfalfa pellets. That one is susceptible to mildew, which I fixed easily with gritty lime. It's the only one that doesn't break out in BS with alfalfa pellets. See bouquet below: My roses this year are NOT as healthy as previous years with horse manure & alfalfa. I will shop more with cash, just to collect pennies (the ones after 1982 are made of zinc, and the ones before 1982 are made of copper ... both are anti-fungal agents)....See More- 12 years ago
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