Alfalfa Meal Heating Up Soil
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alfalfa meal & alfalfa cube, same thing?
Comments (12)No problem. My pellets are about 3/16" diameter by about 3/4" length. This is the first time that I have purchased them. They are reputed to make the soil organisms thrive and are to contain hormones conducive to plant growth. Last year I attended a VABF conference highlighted by Elaine Ingham and she mentioned this as one of the ingredients in making super compost to recharge the soil or from which to brew compost tea. I heard some people say that they soak the pellets along with some molasses for several days and then apply it. Dr. Ingham also mentioned the benefits of adding some fish material to the brew. They said that this could be fish emulsion or she recommended getting fish heads and guts from a fisherman or fishmonger, blended with water, to add to the brew. They stressed the need for a certain temperature as well as aeration to get the super tea and I'm certain that you could source the specifics. I'm presently digging a new veggie garden and amending the soil to about one foot with three year-old horse manure and bedding. As soon as I finish I will add a three or four inch layer of shredded municipal leaves from last fall with about 5 pounds of alfalfa pellets per 100 square feet and till that into the top few inches of the garden. I am also in zone 7 and think that with some moisture this will break down in several weeks and be ready for late spring planting. I saw another thread about using rabbit feed and today I bought an additional 50# bag of rabbit food with a crude protein level of 18% or about 3% nitrogen. It contains a number of trace minerals and some other interesting things like lactobacillus acidophilus, the active yogurt culture. May my microbes be regular!!! This is virgin territory for me as in the past I only used soybean meal or the mixture suggested by Steve Solomon in his book Gardening When it Counts; Growing Food in Hard Times. There have been a number of references to the fertilizer recipe in this forum. It's interesting to see how these experiments work although it is hardly scientific in that there are no different treatments or controls....See MoreAlfalfa Meal. Top dress only? Damage roots?
Comments (5)I use loose alfalfa from around my hay stacks and also from old hay every year. Probably better to work it in early if possible. I also use pellets. I like to prepare my holes for my tomatoes and put a little in with manure and bone meal by Jan 1st if possible to give it time to decompose some. But have also done it when I transplanted with no ill effects. JD...See MoreAlfalfa Meal vs Dairy Manure.... why choose one over the other?
Comments (10)Eddie, Enough, already! In SC. the pure sand soil type varies from place to place, yard to yard. Yet, through the years it has sustained the population, fed the Yankee Army as it pillaged and burned and contributed much in the way of research to the horticultural world. Random thoughts on the subject. 1. You seem frantic about pH. As you gain more experience and study other yards and farms noted will be the fact that plants can adapt to a wide range of situations, especially if you select some of the quality types which have been developed by Clemson, UGA, et al, specifically for the south. The best vegetable garden I have seen in the south was on Spring Island, SC. which is a very private plantation. The owner of the garden, while out riding his horse in the depths of the Island discovered the old saw mill and huge mounds of pine sawdust/bark composted over the centuries. He built raised beds and filled them with nothing but this very acid pine compost soil. The results are unbelievable. Brassicas that look like those pictures of crops grown in Alaska. 2. Suggest you not use or compost fresh animal manures in the south. It is loaded with Bahia Grass seed. Once introduced into a garden it will forever be a weeding nightmare. Ditto hairy vetch. Your best cover crop in the veggie garden is the constant use of straw and the Ruth Stout method. Look it up. 3. Nutrients added to sandy soil quickly leach into the underworld. Your job is to figure out how to slow this process down. Forget about tilling. 4. I'm going to cut to the chase here. Place all you reports, studies, questions in the back of a dark drawer for this year. Plant your winter veggie garden using several handfuls of bagged mushroom compost in each planting hole or spread in the bottom of rows plus a handful of dried molasses which will discourage various root insects. Water in as you plant. Now, spread pine needles as a mulch over all. Yes, I know they are acid. Don't worry about it. Press on. On top of the pine straw spread the dark, rich pine bark mulch mixed with any compost on hand. Over this a light scattering of straw. This should be all you need do to grow veggies, repeated annually, building the soil. Amend sandy soils at the surface. Spend your efforts on developing compost, of which 25% pine bark compost should be incorporated. Great stuff! Use it....See MorePeat moss, alfalfa hay, alfalfa pellets, or alfalfa meal?
Comments (38)Jeri made me laugh, that was funny! Humor is badly need in this forum. Dry air is made of 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, and the rest of argon and carbon dioxide. That explains why poor drainage wet clay soil can turn roses yellow ... the roots can't breathe. My Eglantyne rose was yellowish, until I fixed the drainage. MiracleGro potting soil comes with enough nitrogen for 3 months. I had one geranium in MiracleGro and was annoyed that the leaves are so dark green with few flowers (I don't fertilize that pot). There's one pot that I ran out of MiracleGro and put 1/2 garden dirt in ... I actually like that geranium better: it was shorter, more blooms, and lighter green leaves ....easier on the eyes. A friend asked me about phosphorus, so I'll post the info. here: The NPK value of oak leaves is 0.8 /0.35/ 0.15 Maple leaves is similar to that, so it's twice higher in nitrogen than phosphorus. Once decomposed, the value of phosphorus rises. Most decomposed organic matter is high in phophorus, such as sewage sludge at NPK of 2/ 1.9 / 0.3. Animal tankage (manure without the fat and gelatin) with NPK of 8 / 20 / 0. Other high sources of phosporus are rock phosphate and bone meal with NPK of 4 / 21 / 0.2. Drawback of rock phosphate and bone meal: they can only be utilized at pH at or below 7, according to University of Colorado Extension. Since I'm lazy in pruning I would rather sacrifice top growth for more root and flowering, or less nitrogen and more phosphorus. Leaves and stem store plenty of nitrogen, and unless the plant is completely yellow, there's no need for nitrogen. Even then, fixing the drainage and fluff up the soil with organic matter helped my roses to green up without the need for chemical nitrogen (also highest in salt). Adding air to the soil by making it fluffy is the cheapest way to give nitrogen to roots, considering that dry air is made of 78.09% nitrogen. Composting scraps from kitchen is another cheap source of nutrients, considering Cantaloupe rinds has NPK value of 0 / 9.77 /12.0 ... high in phosphorus and potassium. Potato skin has NPK value of 0 / 5.18 / 27.5 ... also high P and K. Nothing beats banana peels in potassium, with NPK value of 0 / 3.25 / 41.76. Potassium is need to counteract the salt in manure, and to fight diseases. This post was edited by Strawberryhill on Wed, Feb 20, 13 at 11:48...See Moremprevost
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