Charming piano is on there and one I kept eyeing on the website of another vendor who is dead to me now. I am glad to see new entrants in the market :)

I sent an email to Kate's Roses in a futile attempt to see if they would deliver to Canada. I knew they wouldn't...but...hope springs eternal. :) :)

" I sent an email to Kate's Roses in a futile attempt to see if they would deliver to Canada. I knew they wouldn't...but...hope springs eternal. :) :) "

There is a Canadian source for many of these in Ontario, according to the internet. Like HB-101 or some such place.

As for the US side, I have mixed feelings. There are 3 to 5 of these online stores that overlap the product heavily. Most of the roses are Interplant, DeRuiter, Japanese, Chinese, Tantau, Meilland, and Delbard. SOME of those roses are Austin renames. There is 'Munstead Wood' hidden in one of the sellers, which I found hilarious.

I bought 'Brideside' (dumb name but whatever) and ' Huddersfield Choral Society'. The breeder for 'Brideside' does the VIP series, and it seems to be above grade in their work, so I am risking it to be okay in the garden based on their other work. 'HCS' has proven garden merit. I almost bought 'Black Perfumella' but decided I hated 'Black Baccara' so much that it wasn't worth growing a runt-size HT just for blackish fragrant blooms.

I am guessing these growers either know each other or are family in different states (FL, TN, CA, TX). Most of these roses could have been sourced through the florist trade, but some of these varieties would have had to initially been sourced through Europe. Probably France. Who knows.

Their return policies are all pretty awful. I have a grow tent so I am not worried, but the policies do suck. I am not terribly worried about how the roses are sourced as long as they are true to variety. However, I AM worried that many of the cultivars are just not meant for gardens, and that it could sour future would-be rosarians on rose culture.

I am not too worried about future potential rosarians getting soured if they choose plants about which little to nothing is known. Their choice. But I appreciate your thoughts, Jadae. I see a similarity in the photos of some of these outlets. I am not onboard with renaming someone else's patented rose. I see no physical address on at least one of these outfits.

Frances, I am in zone 7a, NC. I have to qualify what I said about Blue Moon Stone being not particularly bs prone. I do spray fungicide...Bayer advanced disease control for roses. I spray my small plants fairly regularly, my garden very little in late summer through fall and winter. Still I think I can tell which plants are relatively bs prone. I have only had BMS since spring. So far it is looking good but has been sprayed. I have had two blooms on it. The second bloom in mid summer really delighted me. I have a picture of it but it's not good....it seemed a lot prettier to me in person. In my experience blooms often improve a lot as the plant ages so I expect good things of this plant. My favorite online pics of it have some white in the blooms shading to lavender and purple. I like the watercolor look, the shadings. Here's my picture...you can at least see some purple. I have suspected that at least some of the online pics have been photoshopped but I do believe this plant can have some lovely purple shades.

Jadae

I’ve ordered more than a dozen of these little plants from various vendors, they have all arrived in decent shape and were true to variety. I agree, the buyer takes all responsiblity as to whether an unproven rose will work in their climate, but I’m OK with that. Yes, I almost bought a fragrant unusually colored orange rose called ’Song of Summer’, lol. I will say that many Asian/Japanese breeders and gardeners value novelty over health, vigor and overall garden performance. Many are growing roses on balconies where a small plant is actually a plus, and are happy to have an exotic bloom or two, sort of like the orchid fanciers value their coddled sticks. So managing one’s own expectations is a big part of whether a person will be satisfied with their purchase. Pretty sure I can guess where the plants originated, but I will invoke my Sargaent Shultz and say ’I know Nosthing!’

@rosecanadian

Here is the HB-101 website that Jadae mentioned, a whole new world of roses for you! And for once at lower prices than US.

Thanks Erasmus - that is beautiful! I'm torn between Blue Moonstone and Lilas. Seeing your Bms, and reading your comments, and that you've grown it successfully for at least a season, makes me lean towards Bms. As for the BS issue, it sounds like it will be worth experimenting. I'm generally no-spray, though I have been known to use neem oil on occasion. My perspective is this - I don't mind if, after giving me beautiful blooms in May and June, a rose settles into some BS in the hot humid July and August (I don't expect the plants to look gorgeous all the time). What I DO worry about is plants that are so weak that they can't recover from BS. For example, I've given up on Angel Face - it just can't bounce back and always dies over the winter. Whereas, say, Mme. Isaac Periere always gets some bs, but she always shakes it off just fine. With these super-rare Japanese roses, I may do some preventative neem or baking soda spray applications, at least at first, to see how they do.

Jadae, I understand your concerns! I'm trying to go into this slowly. Sheherezade and Rainy Blue, two that I am getting, I think are fairly well known. Not sure about Theirry Marx and Sea Anemone, but I've been growing roses for long enough that I'm willing to take a chance. We'll see!

Rosecanadian and Jadae, I'm so sorry these vendors can't ship to Canada! But maybe in time, some nurseries carrying these roses will open up nearer to you. My Black Thumb is of recent vintage (I think her site says she opened in '21) and I gather KateRoses hasn't been open for ages. So, you know, things change!

I'm personally a little leary of ordering on Etsy, but that's probably just because I've never tried it. Maybe I will someday ...

Jadae - I googled and you're right!! Hard to imagine I can get those roses here!! I wonder if HB-101 is a legit place to order roses from. I tried googling for reviews on it and couldn't come up with anything...but I'm terrible with searching and figuring these things out. Thank you SO much!!!

Thanks, Ben - I actually found it for myself for once! :) :) I'm so excited about this...but I want to be cautious...will I get what I want?...will they be a nice sized plant? What rootstock are they on or are they bareroot? etc. etc.

Rosecanadian, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is legit and you can get these roses.

Paul, you're right, it IS a lot, lol! And I haven’t totally committed to ordering yet. It’s definitely a splurge, but I had a pretty good year professionally (a nice big grant from NJ State Council on the Arts, a few commissions, some audio engineering/producing work) so I’m thinking of maybe treating myself. And if I just look at the dollars - I get 10% off for signing up for their emails. If I get over $150 of roses I get free shipping (pretty significant, from CA to NJ). So for 3 roses, that becomes a grand total of $186. Now, I was originally planning on buying 5 from Palatine - at 27.45 each that’s 137.25+44.20 shipping, comes out to 181.45. About the same if I ordered 6 from RU, once you factor in the handling fee and shipping. Sooooo as far as $ are concerned, it comes out the same. Of course, I’m getting only 3 roses as opposed to 5 or 6. But at this point, my garden is so full I hardly need quantity! So I’m thinking, as a one-time treat, why not if the dollars all come out the same - get 3 I REALLY want as opposed to 5 or 6 that, yeah, they’d be great but …. Of course it's a gamble - they may not do well, etc. But then, a lot of gardening involves trying things and taking chances. We'll see. Here's hoping everybody gets the roses they want!

Frances - thanks! I got this response from them about root stock and size of plants:

I'm not sure about the rootstock; it varies among different brands. Our 'da' is the same as the one on the official website, and Meiland's varieties are produced by Star Roses in the United States. Some Japanese varieties and a few rare ones are grafted from Niagara Falls area, and those rootstocks produce small white flowers. All of them are two-year products. Vigor also depends on the variety; to be honest, the more expensive ones tend to grow slower, which is why they become more valuable

I'm not sure if I should get them...I'd love to...but...worry, worry.

"But then, a lot of gardening involves trying things and taking chances. " I agree with this.

There are never any guarantees. Half the fun is taking chances, going with what makes your heart sing.

Erasmus - I did it! I ordered Pompadour (the one that I really wanted), the ubiquitous Princess Charlene de Monaco and Veranda Cream (never saw this one here before.) The rest of the Japanese roses didn't have fragrance.

Carol, I would imagine Veranda Cream is Cream Veranda…a wonderful rose but fragrance is light

Rosecanadian, which Pompadour are you talking about? Where did you order yours? I have heard good things about Princess Charlene. I get Cream Veranda and Lion's Fairy Tale confused. I think Cream Veranda is the most beautiful one.

Rosecanadian, congratulations! I hope they all work out beautifully for you. Sounds like you made some gorgeous choices!

Oursteelers - really? I googled and it's supposed to have a strong fragrance. I hope it does have a good fragrance.

https://www.kordes.us/plants/cream-veranda

Erasmus - it's Delbard's Pompadour. I got it from HB101 Canada thanks to Jadae!! Thank you, Jadae!! I hope that Princess Charlene de Monaco does well for me.

Thanks so much, Frances!

Carol

There was a Cream Veranda at a public garden near my house in Texas, I never got much fragrance out of it either. But it was a super nice plant, compact, dense and floriferous with really nice blooms.

You’ll have to let us know about Pompadour, that one looks terrific on HMF. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen for sale in the US.

Carol don’t get me wrong, CV is an absolute stunner of a rose but fragrance has never been more than light. It’s been my experience to take Kordes’ claims of fragrance with a grain of salt

Ben and Oursteelers - RATS. and DOUBLE RATS. lol Maybe I can ask to change it for another rose there.

I am so happy to find this thread. I have tried contacting this company both through email and through chat and have gotten no response. Since there is no phone number, which is pretty much unheard of, I've been wondering if it's a real company or a scam. My question has to do with cut roses. A lot of the roses are labeled hybrid tea but look just like David Austin. David Austin roses don't survive in a vase. So I want to know which roses can be cut because I don't have room in my garden for roses that only look good on the bush. They actually have a category called cut roses but I want to make sure those roses actually are good for cut flowers before I order. Can any of you answer this question and do any of you know how to get in touch with the company in a way that will get a response from them?

Try their email. I got a refund from them on Cream Veranda...so it does seem like they're legit. Email is whthomesupply@gmail.com

I've met the HB 101 folks so I know they are real (never thought their "vitalizer" product was any different than those snake oil cures from the days of yore), and they were quite nice. This was about 12 years ago when I worked at a nursery here.

That's good, Robert, to know for sure that they're a legitimate company. :)

HB 101 is really good stimulator, I am using it for all my plants.

Oh, really? I didn't know that. Maybe next year.

@rosecanadian, is that email address for HB101 or Kate's Roses?

I tried emailing KR directly from their website but never received any replies. It was just a question not an order but still...

I took the risk (after reading your comments) and ordered 2 MoonStone roses from Kate Roses 2 weeks ago. You get to choose the shipment date when you order on their website. I chose the earliest available ship date.

I emailed them twice requesting an ETA on my shipment and have not received any response yet. I’m a little worried now that they are not a real company too. If I receive my order, I’ll let you all know.

Soozie - for HB101. Sorry for the late reply. I never noticed this.

Please read Seaside rooftop's post on the "Etsy sellers we can trust" thread. https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6421437/etsy-roses-sellers-we-can-trust#n=233

I've ordered quite a few roses from various Etsy sellers. Most of them now either have their own websites like Kate or they sell both ways. You usually get better deals on their own websites. I have not ordered from Kate. Some of the others are much better, and less expensive. Her shipping charges are too high also, unless you order $150 worth, which basically means 3 roses. My favorite source for most of these beautiful roses is Springland Flowers. Their prices are better, the plants are all own root, and the size is good and sent in a one gal pot. Free shipping on $99, which in most cases would be 2 plants. Altho they do have several that are under $50. https://springlandflowers.com/collections/all

Beth Hana, yes, to repeat, please read Seaside's post on Etsy sellers. I am totally disheartened by all the illegal trade in Japanese roses--not to mention the Roses LLC debacle. Diane

BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) I love how we switched states. I'm from San Diego and had to move to Texas for the winter but will be back to San Diego next year.

Could you please share with us from all your Japanese roses which ones are the most vigorous?

NorCalSonoma I wonder if she lets one pick them up in person.

I wanted to let everyone know I finally received my 2 Japanese Moonstone roses from Kate Roses after filing a dispute with my credit card provider. Within a week of calling my credit card company I received a response from Kate Roses and they told me they would ship my roses within 1 week (which they did). I’m hoping I received what I ordered.

After that ordeal, I decided to order 2 more Japanese roses from a Texas provider, GCM Ranch, it was a much more pleasant experience and I from the time I placed the order to when I received it, the company set the right expectations and sent my 2 roses before the time estimated at time of purchase. I ordered a Hiori “sugar” rose and an orange wedding rose. They arrived in great condition, no leaves, nicely packaged. I can’t wait to watch them grow in my zone 10A in California.

Such a lovely picture...that color is so sweet! It's so good to order through a credit card...you have recourse if something goes sideways. I'm glad it worked out and I hope they're sending you what you want. :)

I traded for a Blue Moon Stone two years ago. Last year I was happy with this bloom:

The plant has not been overly vigorous but seems pretty healthy and made it through the winter ok. However, this spring, in fact right now, it has white blooms with the faintest hint of lavender in the center of one. Will see if they darken any.

I don't have the money to try a lot of these interesting roses and it suits me to wait and see how the plants do for other people and to see how these nurseries do as well.

It’s beautiful, thank you for sharing. I’ll share pictures and progress on how mine do. They are small shrubs now.

Erasmus - that is a really pretty bloom. Love that color! Why didn't you like Blue Moon Stone? I've got that one as a bare root this year.

Rosecanadian, I didn't say I don't like it. I really liked the blooms last year but this year they're white! Hardly any color at all! I hoped for more color not less. But I do know rose color can really vary a lot from year to year so I am not throwing in the towel on Blue Moon Stone and anyway the form of the white blooms is very pretty. Lack of vigor concerns me more but still it is early to judge.

erasmus,

I have raised seedlings from various "sad blue" class of genetics that Blue Moonstone quite obviously descends from.

What I can tell you is that the weather during bud formation seems to have a large impact on bloom color. Season in general seems to impact their colors. What I am trying to say is that this class of colors is different than typical mauve roses, and they are highly variable in their expression. I hope that helps.

Thanks, Jadae. Weather does seem to influence color. What do you mean by " sad blue" genetics? Nice color, pitiful plant? I am not sure yet it's pitiful. Will see what it does this summer.

Any clue what this might be? It just pop up in my pollinator garden

I don't know what that is. I do want to add that my Blue Moon Stone's blooms did show some lavender after all. But the blooms were pretty small. The plant is still in a gallon pot...it just doesn't seem to need a bigger one yet...it is not very vigorous it seems. Could be that the whole thing would do better in the ground where it might get better nutrients.

Just recently

They are pretty! Mine were in a 1 gallon pot and I planted them in the grown after they arrived and now have their first buds. I will share pictures as soon as they open.

I have absolutely no idea what that plant is but the shape of it is giving off Bird of Paradise vibes

Norcal - i yhink its a carnation or dianthus ☺️

NorCal my plant identification app says it’s Rattlesnake Master, a weed. The photos they show look just like yours.

But maybe a carnation? I’ve never grown those but sure doesn’t look like dianthus that grows here (we call pinks).

Melissa , your app is probably correct ! I didn’t even think about using one . Last week I was at a nursery contemplating a carnation plant and I thought the stems looked similar . So I’m probably wrong !

Erasmus , my blue moonstone is a weak grower too. The stems are spindly and really it’s not a great specimen , fades quickly too . Mine also is in a pot ! Hopefully it shapes up soon . Most of my others have turned out really nice .

Lilyfinch do carnations have those little spikes on the leaves?

Thanks Melissa!! I belive thats what it is!!