Hi Allencia

My first thought was Frau Karl Druschki, an old Hybrid Perpetual/Hybrid Tea. Check her out on

helpmefind/roses

and other websites.

Comtesse :¬)

Yes, I definitely think this is it!

No, it isn't Frau Karl - too many petals. In style, it looks like a late 20th, early 21st century HT. Possibly Pope John Paul II.

Based on the pictures I'm finding online, I think it resembles frau karl more. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I am but a beginner at rose ID, but the pinkish buds in clusters looks more like frau than pjp, also the overall growth habit is more shruby/floribunda than my other ht's which are much more upright in their growth pattern. I will have to re-smell it when I get home, as it seems pjp is said to be highly fragrant and frau sounds pretty much scentless...

Description of Frau Karl Druschki from HelpMeFind:

White or white blend. None / no fragrance. 36 petals. Average
diameter 5.5". Large, full (26-40 petals), borne mostly solitary, in
small clusters, cupped, high-centered bloom form. Occasional repeat
later in the season. Long, pointed buds.

Your rose does not fit this description. First is that your rose has too many petals. Secondly, Frau Karl's flowers are 'borne mostly solitary', or not in clusters. For most of the existence of HTs as a class, the standard was that roses were borne singly, or the exhibitor had to disbud them. Thirdly, Frau Karl is classed as a HP, and the exhibition members of that class make standard HTs look bushy. Then there is the extremely poor repeat of HPs.

I'm not trying to claim it absolutely is PJPII. However, I'll be surprised if it turns out to have been introduced before 1990, and shocked if it was introduced before 1980. The extremely cluster flowering, high petal count, and even the plant habit are all things that became acceptable in high centered roses relatively recently.

I don't know what it is but it can't be PJPII. He is always pure white even in bud. I've never seen any pink blush on the buds and I've never seen him bloom in large clusters like that either.

Mrs Herbert Stevens?

Despite the HMF description, Frau Karl does throw clusters fairly often. Almost all the buds are streaked with red. I got three flushes per year, a bit slower than most HTs. The flowers are medium sized, around 3" IIRC, and scentless. This plant looks too small to be FKD unless it was pruned way down this spring. But if it is one of those you describe as having very thick old "trunks," FKD was the most popular white rose for the whole first half of the 20th c.

The form of the flower does look like more recent HTs. How big is it?

Looks like Honor to me...

I agree that it is probably FKD. If you look at the pictures of that rose on HMF, it shows several with pink streaks on the buds, and also blooms appearing more double than 36 petals, and also clusters of blooms. In addition, there is one showing buds which look identical to those posted by allencia.

Jackie

It is completely scentless. I counted 41 petals on one.

HMF says FKD is completely scentless -

I did hard prune her this spring-in this pic she was probably about 4 feet, now she is about 5-by july she will be a good 6 feet. I feel pretty confident that Fkd is correct at this point.

My FKD was very thorny. I don't know if that is the norm since it is the only one that I have ever seen.

How large are the flowers? That will give us more information.

I would say 3, 3.5 inches...

No actually way bigger than that....i am apparently bad at estimating size...5 inches now that i pulled out a ruler