Carol, I have Pickering's Four Seasons so know it's not the same. catspa, eureka! I think you found it. Baron de Bonstatten wasn't listed when I bought it but is available this year and I actually have it on reserve. It's a fantastic rose even with my conditions. Says it can be grown as a climber too. Maybe I'll use it with Florence Bower's Pink Tea on the other side of the arch. Thanks for checking Jan's rose list. Good detective work. You get the Miss Marple award. Diane

Rats. I was trying to capture it and it fell into a tangle of clematis, in which I could not find it. These clematis are growing on my wooden trellis -- I wonder if the borer will lay some eggs and little borers will be born to destroy my trellis... or our wood siding nearby... sigh! The insect has long antennae and several spots which, since they are on both sides, look almost like stripes. I think it has six legs.

Oops! What I meant to say in my last post is this: This is not the same rose as the other picture. The fragrance and leaves are both very different. Size of the bush was also very different. This bush was small (although it could have been cut back)

Okay... now that we have more info, plus a photo of the opened-up bloom, we now know the rose isn't any of my very-preliminary guesses. In view of the new info and photo - and your suspicion that the rose is a grandiflora - I'll guess that it might be Candelabra. I have one Candelabra bush in my yard ...and sometimes its blooms look a lot like your opened-bloom photo. Please review the group of Candelabra photos at HelpMeFind and you'll see what I mean. Here's the URL for the photos: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?i=A13995&tab=10 (Or use the Link at the end of this post.) NOTE: the final photo is by Karl Bapst - who's bloom-shots are often are waaay too "blue." Here is the ARS description-data for Candelabra: Orange & orange blend [ARS ob] blooms. Slight fragrance. 20 to 25 petals. Average diameter 3". [Mine range from 2 - 4 inches.] In my opinion, my Candelabra's FULLY-MATURE leaves are dark-green and semi-glossy. Less-mature leaves are medium-green. Left on the bush, the bloom-color ages to a semi-deep slighty "orangish" pink (as you'll see in the HelpMeFind photos). SOMETIMES the blooms fade to a lighter edging. I used the emphasized word "sometimes" because the blooms usually shatter from rainfall - or even a moderate breeze - before they can age to the light-edged coloration. As a cut-flower, the petals tend to fall off in just 2 to 4 days, depending on the age of the bloom when it was cut. Therefore I don't include Candelabra in my bouquet-gifts to neighbors, friends, & passers-by. Unlike Gingersnap, which can have a similar bloom-color in the early stages, Candelabra's blooms don't fade toward apricot. Time for the obligatory disclaimer: This is just a guess at your rose's identity, based on what we've seen and heard so far about what is clearly an "immature" plant. (And of course, your mentioning that it seems to be a grandiflora.) Regards, JohnReb Here is a link that might be useful: Candelabra photos at HelpMeFind dotcom