The rose was planted by my Granddaddy Mosley (Mother's father) many years prior to his death in 1982. While I don't remember when, I saw the rose many times while growing up. It was planted in an old tire beside the house. It didn't receive much sun in it's later years. I spoke to my Mother this morning, she believes Granddaddy planted it between 1950 and 1955. After his death, the rose received little or no care. In the spring of 2008 my mother's friend, Preston, took the only green shoots off the old stalk and was successful in rooting them in water. He planted the 2 which survived in front of my Mother's old flower bed. I took some cuttings from them this spring and have 2 surviving in pots right now. Below are pictures of this rose. Please help me identify it. As I have said, it is a very resilient rose and one I hope to propagate and distribute among my family. Meet Rosa Lee and Durham -- My Grandmother and Granddaddy (that is what we call these roses. Rosa Lee is a bit puny Rosa Lee's bloom This is Durham - blooming more than Rosa Lee and few yellow leaves Close-up of Durham Durham blooms and buds ingrid_vc and petaloid postulated this may be a President Herbert Hoover and suggested I follow-up on HelpMeFind. I appreciate their assistance. They also suggested it may be Talisman, Signora and Sutter's Gold. After comparing the pictures (I can't see the roses right now as they are 200 miles from me), I can't tell about the coloration BUT seems to me the "real thing" is much more pink. My color seeing abilities are not the greatest but I think they are solid pink. I thought this might be the best forum to post in --- didn't see it until I had already posted in the main forum.

Uhhh-ohhhh ...it seems another Oklahoma-or-Mirandy discussion is about to happen. ;-) As I and others have stated in previous discussions, Oklahoma and Mirandy blooms can be VERY difficult to tell apart. So, in this thread, I'll just mention differences between them rather than list all their similarities. I grow both of them ...and I planted them in the same row so I could compare them more easily. In my opinion, Mirandy's blooms age to several simultaneous shades of "grapejuice" red ...and Oklahoma's do not age to multihued grapejuice. Oklahoma's oldest (fully-mature) leaves are ARS-described as "matte" (non-glossy). Also, Mirandy's bloom-form is ARS-described as Globular ...and in my yard, it is somewhat "looser-petaled" when open than Oklahoma's (which tend to remain comparatively "well-ordered"). The "looser" form I'm speaking of refers mainly to the outer petals - but please also notice the mish-mash of petals at the center of Angelsmell's blooms. Mirandy is known for its tendency to produce thin-stemmed buds, which result in "nodding" when the bloom has become well-open. So, with consideration of the factors of bloom-color, bloom-form, and "nodding," AngelSmell's photos look to me more like Mirandy than Oklahoma. Angelsmell, please check your rose's blooms with those three factors in mind and let me know whether or not my description of Mirandy's blooms fits yours. Regarding my theory about petal ATTACHMENT-tip color (and size) for identifying red roses... it can't "identify" a red, it can only tell you what a red rose is NOT. For example, Mr. Lincoln's petal attachment-tips are "electric" deep-yellow, and that color is ona large area of the petal's base. So if a red mystery-rose's opening bloom's attachment-tip area color is white, it cannot be Mr. Lincoln. But please note: The petal base-tip color of many rose-varieties tends to lighten SIGNIFICANTLY as the bloom gets old. Therefore I recommend checking the tip-color while the bloom is still opening up. As of today, I've only got unopened buds and old blooms on my yard's (two) Oklahomas and (two) Mirandy bushes. As soon as the buds open I will check & compare their base-tip colors and get back to you. As always, I could be wrong. In this case I'm guessing based on what I can observe in the photos, without other desciptive info like bush-height & habit. Speaking of which... my yard's Mirandy(s) tend to produce significantly more buds per SPRAY (not per flush) than my Oklahoma(s). Regards, JohnReb

I looked at the HMF page for Sonia Rykiel. The bloom form looks like it favors more of a cupped, old-fashioned shape. It appears that it sometimes has an yellow tint to it too, which I've never seen with this one. Mine is always a light pink. Gorgeous rose though. One thing I noticed about the rose today that may help an ID -- the scent has changed with the hotter temperatures. Now it smells strongly of lemonade/citrus! Really incredible scent. I wish there was a way to convey it here.

My gosh, you all have been so helpful! Thank you so much! Chris--I think I might try that garbage pale technique with a few of these OGR that sucker. Hopefully, that will help me keep them from growing into 8ft x 8ft hedges--although, I suppose if I ever wanted to put in a fence along the street, I could just plant some OGR instead! My only current OGR is Mme Hardy and she's kept well within a 3 ft radius these last 5 years. What you describe with Crecy sounds crazier than raspberries! I think I have my final list: Reine des Violettes Gabriel Oak (if I'm lucky enough to get him) Rose de Resht Young Lycidas La Belle Sultane Love Song Ebb Tide Twilight Zone Yolande D'Aragon Belle de Crecy **and maybe one day: Captaine John Ingram (he's in stock at Heirloom right now but I don't feel like paying that much for him) Maybe I'll plant some bluish and yellowish annuals in the first couple of years until the roses fill in.