Can you help me with this red (faux-)OGR(?)?
Hi everyone, I think I might've posted about this rose before, but it's been quite a few years since I've been active here. I've still not been able to put a name to this.
I believe it to be an ogr but other people i've asked disagree. I think it has to be at least an early modern. There's something that's just not like your typical HT or such.
The thorns as curved as you can see, and it appears to be an everblooming variety. Little but still noticeable fragrance, classic rose, maybe raspberry-ish. Sets no hips.
Blackspot prone at times, but doesn't seem to defoliate much because of that, maybe because of how mature it is. Don't know the exact age but it's been there for a while, simply judging by the size. The people that own it (a business downtown) prune it horribly hard every year, but it comes back good, so it's not a variety that resents pruning like a couple ogrs can be.
I have gotten so many cuttings throughout the years and they never take, I've tried every method under the sun, plain soil, oil/sand, pure sand, long fibre moss, chopped moss, rockwool, burrito method, ziplocs, hydroponics, floral foam (unconventional, but i happened to root another hard variety once like that!). I'm trying my hand at budding now cause i think rooting it is a lost cause.
If anyone could help me, even with just telling me a class, that would be amazing. Thank you in advance!
Oh, and I apologize for the overexposure on the first pics, I'm a bad photographer. The color is actually a lot redder than the pictures suggest. There's some pink to it but it's a cherry RED more than anything!
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Comments (36)Hi. Are you still trying to identify this one? If so, I have some questions and maybe a suggestion or two. Can you get photos of buds that are about to open, flower stems, foliage, foliage details like the edges of the leaves, and a good look at the general habit of the plant? With regard to suggestions that other people have made, I like the 1938 article by Mrs. Keays, though some of the names are now out of date. She has a lot to say about key characteristics. As to the roses that people have suggested, I'm afraid they mostly don't seem right to me. For example, most of the photos of 'Fantin Latour' and 'Comte de Chambord' show blossoms that are significantly darker in the middle and paler at the edge, but I don't see that in any of your photos of your rose. Photos of 'de la Grifferaie' seem to show a more ragged blossom with fewer petals, and much more color-change as the flowers age out. 'Konigin von Danemark' has dark-green wrinkly foliage, and the flowers tend to be pale at the edge. If I'm seeing your photos right, your plant has dusty mid-green foliage with a wavy (but not really wrinkly) surface, and it has relatively long flower-stems. Several of the suggested possibilities (for example, 'La Ville de Bruxelles') have flowers that are mostly cupped, with a fairly flat front. Your photos don't look like that at all -- the flowers appear to open quite convex. (Are the petals any paler on the reverse than the front? That, too can be a key item...) 'Williamsburg' (http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=28904) is superficially similar, but I'm not sure it has as many petals, and the date of introduction is a bit recent (1965). 'Hetty's Mystery', found in California (http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=48548), is also superficially similar, but the leaves appear too flat and not dusty enough. I just wish I could be more helpful. It would be great, btw, if you'd be willing to post this rose to Fara Shimbo's new found roses Website. I'll give the URL below. Here is a link that might be useful: Found Roses (a new site)...See MoreNeed a small red rose OGR or equally hardy
Comments (9)I hope you're not getting tired of my replies, but Valentine is another suggestion. I had it in a dry location in the ground for years where it survived and bloomed, but it's doing much better in a container where I can keep it better watered. It blooms practically nonstop throughout the season. The flowers burn around the edges in the high heat of summer, but in the spring and fall they are perfect. It has the added attraction of being thornless. I never noticed much of a fragrance, but someone commented on HMF that it does. Maybe it's one of those off and on again kinds of fragrance. Here's a picture of one of my three Valentines. I liked it so much I rooted a couple more from the one I have. It roots very easily ... See the comments section on HelpMeFind as well as the description and photos. Here is a link that might be useful: Valentine on HelpMeFind ......See MoreFragrant, disease resistant red OGR, Austin, or similar?
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2 months agoMy first thought before reading comments was also 'Maggie'. But a problem there is that you can't root cuttings of it. I presume you are successful with other rose cuttings? We root Maggie, easily, all the time.
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2 months agoJacqueline, I'm sorry i couldn't get back to you earlier. I'm reporting with pictures of my go-to method. It is a ziploc type bag sized 10,6 inch X 9.4 X 2.7. The thrid dimension is because the bottom is expandible, i find that i get much better result in these than non-expandible bottom ones.
Inside I use plastic cups of any size that is aproriate for the cutting and that will fit inside, usually i do it by couples, but sometimes i'll be able to fit 3 of them. i drill plenty of holes in them with a dremel tool.
the substrate for me is preferrably long fibre sphagnum moss, but this season i could only find a moss that's not the typical candian sphagnum, not sure what it is exactly. It works best when you stuff it in TIGHTLY to the point the cutting is unable to wobble at all.
I've got several cuttings in these since late January of what i now know is "Maggie", you might be able to make out the word "Lumen", scribbled in them, that's the study name i gave it, if you will.
I also have an unided coral miniature that's callousing like crazy, but above the moss. i'd like to imagine the same is happening below, but pulling them out to check is often not a good idea. It's simply better to wait for a) the canes to turn black or, b) roots to peek through the clear plastic cu to know.
This is my go-to method, the first one I'll try. With it I've rooted many Dudley Cross, other china roses than Maggie, miniatures, modern shrubs, Cecile, Brunner, Clotilde Soupert, a couple climbers, Black Jade, Winter Magic, and so on. Hybrid teas don't normally take with this method, but sometimes they'll surprise you, it never hurts to try. I'm also experimenting with just sticking the cutting in to a rockwool cube and putting it in the ziploc, sans moss, sans cup. So far they've kept well hydrated, and there's a little callous in some of them.
I checked yesterday on my hydroponic system and while i did have a couple Maggie loses, guess what, y'all? There's an unmistakable root in one. Now I don't know how to move it to the soil. I just know it won't survive the transition. I have no idea how to soften the blow for it...
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