Francis Meilland, suggestions on pruning and care?
msdorkgirl
9 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I currently have him in a 15 gallon, he's at least 7 foot tall and one branch is actually 4 feet long spreading horizontally ... it produces the most beautiful blooms but is very stingy, only giving me 4 last year, and so far this year, 2 blooms.
I'm in Honolulu, Hawaii, it gets quite windy, he's in full sun and I water deeply when I do decide to water. He will remain in a pot, as will all my roses. We also get drizzle every now and then too.
Any help or suggestions would be very much appreciated.
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Comments (30)Our organic method Old Rose garden has these Tea and Tea like roses that thrive here where condtions favor p.m. more months of the year than blackspot: these I consider to be A list Tea roses and I would buy them first: Mrs. B.R. Cant a larger bloom and deeper pink than Duchess de Brabant and I consider both to be Must have Pink Tea roses along with the China-Tea Le Vesuve which has very rapid rebloom,, and Mme. Antoine Mari, which gets lightly covered with p.m. but no loss of leaves nor bloom production. Mrs. Dudley Cross, very healthy and quite smooth stemmed. Souvenir de Pierre Notting, a lovely Tea rose that has large blooms. I'd give it a few hours of filtered shade to keep it from bleaching out in the hot summer sun. Etoille de Lyon: can be kept to c. 5' in zone 7 a useful size and easy to espalier in a narrow space. Lady Hillingdon and the apricot form of Anna Olivier are also healthy A list Tea roses and most Teas are pale or light hues so these are very welcome in a Tea rose garden. plus A.O. is the most strongly scented of all the Tea roses to my nose. The white Tea roses, such as Niphetos and Devoniensis can be Divas depending on cultivation and situation, the ones I've found to be easy to grow are: Westside Road Cream Tea" I adore this fragrant white Tea rose, and bought two of them. W.R.C.T. is far more resistant to p.m. than Ducher which defoliated and was shovel pruned. Le Pactole" I had to leave mine behind when I moved, a great loss for it takes ages to build size and is worth every second of waiting. Exquisitly elegant blooms. Caveat Rosa: I shovel pruned my "Georgetown Tea" it was far too sickly from p.m. to keep in my garden, it defoliated c. 90% of its leaves. Mme. Lombard is borderline for p.m. resistance here,yet although it is covered with a thin icing of p.m. it neither defoliates nor decreases bloom production. As an organic method gardener I'm used to ignoring this amount of p.m.. Mme. Berkeley is quite resistant to powdery mildew in our area, but I have heard from folks elsewhere that it is not as resistant to blackspot as some other Tea roses. I love it and have it outside my living room window so I can see her often. I prefer Monsieur Tillier to Gen. S. for color and M.T is slightly healthier in our garden. The Triomphe du Luxembourg we received appeared like a plainer version of Mlle. Franziska K. and I regret ordering 3 of these. "Alliance Franco-Russe" shows less resistance to p.m. than Etoile de Lyon and Souvenir de Pierre Notting. best wishes for a beautiful Tea rose garden. Luxrosa....See MorePapa Meilland
Comments (14)Shifferle, please excuse the belated response, but I just saw this thread while looking for references to Red Masterpiece, a rose I just ordered today own-root from Heirloom. My climate is completely different from yours, but here's my 2 cents' worth anyway. I have Papa M on its own roots. Mine is lanky, kind of tall, not at all a landscape bush, and the blooms blow very quickly on the bush. Also not the most prolific (mine is just 2 years old) but not horribly stingy either. Produces in flushes every 5-6 weeks, but just a couple or few at a time. If I manage to notice and cut the buds at just the right stage, they will complete the bloom cycle in a vase, and as cut flowers they are terrific! Mine have lasted a week and a half in my climate-controlled office. They start out rich deep red but transform into intense deep purple--not the ugly bluish faded red but dark purple. The scent lasts nearly the entire life of the cut flower. Beautiful form, too! BUT...seeing as you are concerned with spraying--which this one needs, I'll second the above comment about Deep Secret. This rose has considerably smaller blooms, and they don't last quite as long for me cut. But the fragrance is equally fantastic, and the bush is far hardier than Papa M. (a lot thornier too, but nobody's perfect, lol). The color is wonderful intense red in the center with black shadings on outer petals. The centers are not pinpoint exhibition, but the half-open blooms look wonderful. I'm about to replace Deep Secret with that Red Masterpiece I mentioned, because the heat here is too much for the plant--it looks dried out much of the time compared to the other roses; might be a bit susceptible to chemical burn, too, and I spray! But in your climate it should do great--at least give you quality spring and fall blooms and make it through the winter well. I've never seen disease on mine. Best wishes, whatever you choose. Mike...See MoreAre Papa Meilland, Chrysler Imperial or Illusion low spray?
Comments (11)Chrysler Imperial is a pretty tough rose. There's a planting here in a public space that gets no care beyond annual pruning, and it's around 20 years old. Originally there were mass plantings of about 10 different HTs and floribundas (standard older ones such as Peace). They all died out except C.I. Maybe 18 of 20 C.I. plants have survived. It is slightly more resistant to blackspot than the average HT and slightly hardier. Our disease pressure here is similar to what you have in northern Virginia. Vet's Honor and Liebeszauber are also considered above average, but I haven't grown them. Traviata may be the most resistant HT, but it has no fragrance. All these will get considerable BS where you are. The climber/large shrub Quadra is probably the most blackspot-resistant red rose. Home Run, a bright red similar to Knock Out, has had some good reviews....See MoreCare to comment on my evolving plan?
Comments (16)Meslgh, you have chosen some lovely roses. I think you will be happy with them. I hope you will select companion plants that have foliage in different sizes and shapes because a change from the sameness of rose foliage will only help to set off the roses (as you will be doing with the agave). Some beautiful dark canna foliage would do this as would a large alocasia, some iris, etc. And in our area, you don't have to dig up the canna or the alocasia in the fall. They'll be fine left in the ground. Just dig and divide them when you want more plants elsewhere or when someone asks for a start. And for a change from just green, my beds that are bordered in lamb's ear look really good, and that plant does well here - you won't have to replant each spring any of the foliage plants I've mentioned. The canna with the most beautiful foliage (to me) is Black Velvet. I don't have a lot of it, but just enough to provide interest. Sometimes with the BV, when it is planted adjacent to roses of a certain color, I prune the flower off as if I were deadheading and leave the gorgeous leaves - they shade to different colors and look different in different light. I also love the very-dark, large burgundy leaves of Pink Futurity - it gets to nearly 3 feet here. I get doorbell ringers asking me what it is and where they can get some. Sounds like you are already wanting to provide contrast with the agave and Powis Castle. I think PC is beautiful, but I have to cut back mine in mid-summer or it sprawls terribly and exposes the branches. Of course, the branches will be exposed when you cut them back, but then the plant will look good well into December. I've never experienced this particular artemesia spreading anywhere. Also, don't forget that some vertical interest will help produce a well balanced and interesting composition. In some of my beds I have done this by pruning tall shrubs to tree-form (crape myrtle, rose of sharon (althea), Texas mountain laurel (sophora secundiflora, desert willow (chilopsis linearis), etc.) All of these do well in our area. I hope you can use some of these ideas. Lou...See More
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