Newbie gardener with a shady balcony
berfy
9 years ago
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7
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Comments (4)Hi organic_skygardener and welcome! You have alot of choices of what you can grow and I would start with things that you know you will eventually use so you get that sense of satisfaction of having your own homegrown herbs/veggies in your cooking and/or food preparation. I know last year it was fun making pesto from the Genovese basil that I grew and I still have some left in the freezer. I also have a bag of tomatoes left in the freezer to use to make sauce with. Most of these types of plants will like the amount of sun that you get. However be aware that south-facing balconies can get very hot in summer and the plants will definitely need watering quite often. Some years ago, one of my sisters lived in an apartment with a south-facing balcony and she found that she had to move some of her plants (eg., tomatoes) back away from the rail so they could get some bit of partial shade during the day, otherwise the leaves and fruit were getting sun scald. Using self-watering pots may help in the case of watering (along with mulch) and using a decorative lattice or some shade cloth might also help to provide some filtered sun without totally blocking it. If you like herbs, you might consider trough containers or window boxes to place a couple types in the same container in sections. Some herbs, like the mints, tend to prefer some shade and may need to be in the shadier spots or planted under larger plants, but most will like the sun. As for veggies, you can pretty much grow whatever you have room for (including vining plants like cukes or melons) and stake as needed. A key thing to growing is not cheaping out on your soil. Go for a commercial container mix or you can mix up your own - all to make sure that you get good drainage (but balanced with some water retention due to the amount of sun that you get). Also except for habaneros that got some aphids on them (which then attracted ladybugs to take care of them), I haven't had much problem with insects on my herbs or veggies. This doesn't mean that they will always be bug free but usually, a strong spray of plain water or a soap solution can take care of the common buggies and even netting the plants can keep destructive beetles out if you get them. I am also on the 18th floor and believe it or not, the buggies do come up (and I need the carpenter bees to pollinate my blueberries, so I don't mind them)! LOL If you have any specific ideas of plants that you like, do let us know as many of us have grown just about everything! LOL...See Moreflower garden in a shady spot
Comments (13)I just had time to check out your "Inferno Strip Garden," and I think you're going to like what you get! I absolutely LOVE Artemisia versicolor 'Seafoam'--it's the only Artemisia I grow right now. I've never seen mine bloom since I keep pinching it to keep it round and bushy, but Artemisia flowers are usually pretty ugly, so you may want to cut it back when it starts to bloom. And I'm absolutely certain you'll love the Callirhoe. Give it as much room as you can. It dies back to the center of the plant over winter, but it will spread out 3 or 4 feet in every direction over the growing season. It's great next to a wall or anywhere you may have for it to drape down over---or just spread out on the ground if not. I'd add some Russian sage (Perovskia) to the area--P. 'Longin' is the most upright one, and my favorite. It would go well with the others and blooms pretty long in mid-late summer. Also, to add a couple bright spots of yellow, consider some Achillea 'Moonshine' (bright yellow), or A. 'Anthea' (soft yellow). They, too, bloom for quite a while and you can leave the flowers dry on the plants for winter interest for as long as they look good. I checked out G. saundersii too, and it looks great. They're kind of pricey, but I just might have to try one! If Alcea rosea 'Nigra' is the hollyhock you're looking at, I'd be glad to send you some seed for a SASE. They're a beautiful dark, dark, dark red, and they're real pretty up close, but since they're so-o-o dark, they really don't show up much from a distance. Last fall I planted some other mixed colors near them for more of a display from the distance. They're getting close to blooming and I am anxiously waiting to see what colors they'll be. (The black ones are blooming already!) Still, in my opinion, they are not especially xeric---certainly not as much as perovskia, agastache, some of the penstemons, and artemisia. I could also send some Aquilegia chrysantha seed (a Colorado native). It's a VERY fragrant yellow columbine that comes true from seed. It will reseed easily in the garden and if you have room to let a large patch grow it will actually scent the whole area. Again, it's not considered especially xeric, but once it's well established I don't think it would need a lot of water. I don't think you'd be happy at all with creeping phlox planted in the cracks in your walk, and I think it would be far more difficult to try to grow in such a situation. If you decide to try some, I recommend putting it out in one of the main garden areas. Also, while it doesn't like to stay wet all the time, I've never know it to be considered xeric. If you do decide to grow some, I recommend you look for Phlox douglasii rather than the more standard P. subulata. It's a much more compact growing plant that requires less care. If you do get P. s., to stay looking good over the years it will need to be cut back severely--1/2 or more--after it blooms each year. Otherwise the individual stems can get long and really ratty looking after a couple years. If you let it grow without cutting it back until it gets ratty, it's very hard to cut it back far enough to get it looking good again without killing it. Salvia 'May Night' ('Mainacht') is a really good choice and I bet you'd love it. If you cut it back promptly when the first flowers start looking "tired," it will easily bloom a second time, and, depending on the summer, might bloom a third time if cut back promptly after the second bloom. Don't worry too much about what's going to look good with what when you're planning your garden! Remember that perennials bloom at different times, so they won't all be blooming at the same time. That's one of the wonderful things about a perennial garden---it's constantly changing. Pick whatever you like best. If you decide you don't like it next to something, you can always move it. That's also part of perennial gardening! Tulips and daffodils (and crocus, hyacinths and any of the other spring blooming bulbs) will be blooming when your perennials are just starting to come up. Also check out the ornamental grasses. They're wonderful for adding movement to the garden and the foliage and seedheads are usually left on all winter for winter interest. One of my favorites is Panicum 'Heavy Metal' (switch grass). It has steel blue foliage with delicate, airy seed heads. I also love the miscanthuses (sp???) (maiden grass) which come in heights from 3' to 6' or more and have beautiful arching foliage with tassel-like seedheads that look Egyptian to me! Just one more thing for you to consider! Happy gardening, Skybird P.S. If you'd like the seed, email me privately via GW and I'll send you my address....See MoreSpacious, Shady Garden-Level Patio Space in Student Rental Apt
Comments (3)Hmmmm (rubbing hands together). Now, that's a bit of a challenge. Not much space, not much light, not much money, and not a lot of gardening experience -- and it will be winter for at least part of the time. I love it! I can imagine that being a nice little place to sit in the evening, a cool breeze but with a lot of privacy. This isn't actually below ground level, is it? I'd definitely get rid of the AstroTurf. That stuff only works in a dry, sunny area outdoors, and it doesn't look like this space is either. Does the ground drain away thru the fence at the back of the picture? Hope so, 'cuz I know it rains a lot in the spring in that part of Michigan. I assume it's soil underneath, but probably not very good soil for growing. You could lay down several bags of mulch -- pine back is pretty cheap and it's less prone to funky-looking molds than the hardwood. Look for stuff that comes in fairly small pieces, not the nuggets. Lay down some concrete 24" x 24" pavers, maybe 4-6, in the foreground, against the building on the left, and put out a little bistro table with 2 chairs. You can buy sets pretty cheap, or you can put together something from thrift store finds. A can or two of spray paint and -- voila! -- you have a set. You don't want to mess around with planting stuff in the ground -- focus on containers. For cheap, big planters, you can't beat big plastic totes from the Big Box stores. (I'm talking about the 35-50 gallon Rubbermaid jobies that are 3-4' long and about 2 1/2' tall. Around here, those go for a little over $20.) You can raise them up on some cinderblocks if you like, and you can dress them up with a wood surround made form old pallets. I'd put two of them along the wall on the right, facing into the apartment, and another perpendicular to the wall on the left, marking the end of the space. Keep an eye out for smaller containers you can group around the base of the tubs. And keep your mind open -- do a search on creative planter ideas nd you'll be amazed what you can plant in! Don't forget the walls! You can place lattice panels behind the tubs, to encourage vines. A can of spray paint in a bright color makes them a focal point even in the winter. An outdoor mirror (plastic, not glass) would also add some life and movement. For plants -- think shady, understory things. Varigated leaves, rather than bright flowers. Coleus, hosta's, ferns. Shady groundcovers like ajuga or creeping jenny spread fast and look nice as a background for other plants. It's a daunting space, but I think it's great your brother is thinking about spreading out and taking advantage of it. I'm sure you'll make it great!...See MoreHello from newbie gardener in Montreal and some questions
Comments (10)hi: congratulations on the new garden. :) I've had similar to you for almost 15 years. I've got the maple, probably Norwegian ...lol.... it's about ? 40 years old so pretty big. it's got good points and bad points. But first of all let me just say my husband severely, severely pruned it about 2 years back and now we get more sun. Bad: 1.incredible invasive root system ... very dense mass of roots...very shallow rooted plant. 2.those roots will be competing for water and nutrients with your plants. (the tree absolutely will win....look at the size of the tree ...it's a giant ...your plants have to adapt to the tree because it will not be adapting to them) :) If you do plant something like an impatiens ... you'll need to water so much more....just keep that in mind. ... and you can't cut the roots ...they'll just come back. 3. (I think) the roots compact the soil to make it harder - but maybe that's just because nothing can be dug in or because my yard was full of very hard clay soil. 4.drops an unbelievable amount of leaves which cannot be left to rot on ground because they do not break down but form a clumpy solid mess in spring which will kill/choke other plants. Good: 1. it's a nice big tree, lots of shade, blocks the afternoon sun. The squirrels are amusing. :) so ...planting underneath it? in shade? hostas!! :) different ones, different sizes etc... green and white is pretty in shade. I can share but i'm not sure what the zone difference would be ... but ...it wouldn't be until next year - i'm not even in Canada right now. I would also recommend adding a berm (soil mound on top), you can even add shredded maple leaves depending on how fussy your plants are. (i'd recommend going with unfussy plants.) Your plants would need to be able to stand up to the bullying that is maple roots... crowding and having water and nutrients taken from them constantly. if you have a fence you can put up hanging baskets that would be good too ... if impatiens were still around they would be ideal ...at least in the summer. As for the sunny part of my garden ...again ... gardening is not easy ... the roots of the maple are still there... I've built it up a lot (berm) and planted about 9 lavenders ...and a few daisies ...I had Persian mint there which did really well ... mostly anything which likes it dry and sunny. But you don't have that problem ...the sunny part ...you've just got dry :) As for food ... i have a rhubarb near another maple that has been there for ? 20 years but I can't comment ... I haven't used it. all the best. :) ps: looked at your link ... beautiful plants... but i'm not sure which will want water etc.... forget me nots ...are fine... they go crazy but they're dead by early summer ... ferns are no problem ...at least here ...but I pulled them out - the ones I had weren't that pretty ....you have a plant that is similar in looks to bergenia (in the photo)... the primula ...well bergenia is another amazing plant ... and very, very tough ... I grow a lot of it in my front bed and have not put it in the back so I don't know how it will react with maples but might be worth a try. Clematis ... I have tried and will be trying to move the ones I planted 3 years ago ... they've deteriorated ... they were doing fine in other places but I don't think they like maples. bleeding heart ...I've had one for several years and it has seeded too .... it is white ...it looks wonderful but not all summer. ... But ...not under the maple.... mine is in another part of the garden in a largish berm, full dappled shade. lilly of the valley ... I found it very invasive .... and took me years to get rid of. pulmonaria ..(lungwort) ... not so great under the maple, was moved several times and is happy now in another shaded position .... (it took 10 years to find a happy place for this plant but i'm glad I stuck with it.)...See Moreberfy
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