Bonding neutral and ground at main panel- Unique situation
jon_shockless
17 years ago
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jon_shockless
17 years agolast modified: 9 years agoRelated Discussions
Neutral (grounded conductor) in main panel
Comments (7)I guess I was a little hasty in my original answer. I agree with lonesparky that it shouldn't but there are situations where it could be hot when you open the connection. Having 10 amps or so flow through your neutral and ground from a neighbor could happen whether or not there was much voltage behind it. Maybe yours is in a more direct path and some of the neighbors current comes through your connections. You might open it and find a volt or two. Or if yours is the only good connection (very unlikely) in the neighborhood served by one transformer, then opening it could leave you with any part of 240 volts on the opened line and cause lamps and appliances to burn out in the neighbors houses. This is only true if they ALL have bad connections. Sort of reminds me of the time I was on a guy's farm and he told me they had once turned off the big switch outside and some appliances burned out in the house. I couldn't make any sense out of that--you should always be able to shut off a switch. Then I figured the "electrician" who had installed the 3-phase high-leg wiring for feed augers had just added another switch on the high leg (only) instead of using the code-required 3-pole switch. Thus if you left the high leg on and turned off the other two legs, 200 volts from the high leg would go through the motor loads and show up on the 120 volt receptacles, including in the house. Just because it should be safe doesn't mean it is and like the other guys said you need to check not assume....See MoreGarage grounding and bonding
Comments (3)The box just below the meter only has a 200 amp breaker. It is not a normal breaker box that you have in your house. It is merely a breaker as a service disconnect rather than a knife type switch. This way both the house and garage can be disconnected with one switch rather than going to each box seperately. It also provided a place to tap into in order to run power to the detached garage. House panel in the basement has a 200 amp main breaker with the normal circuit breakers below it. Garage has a 100 amp main breaker with 6 circuits below it. The neutral for the garage is tapped off the neutral line in the box under the meter just as the 2 hots are. Hence 2 hots and a neutral into the house and 2 hots and a neutral into the garage. So it seems the service disconnect box under the meter should be neutral bonded and grounded by rods, etc according to the above post? That would require a bunch of rewiring. Supposing I don't want to do that could/should I put 2 ground rods off the garage box as a next best solution since I did this for the house already? Hence treating the house and garage as seperate entities both fed by the same meter. The house (log cabin) was built in 1989 and I got it 3 years ago. I don't want to rewire everything right now to bring it up to current code, I just want it grounded in an acceptable/safe manner as it currently wasn't grounded at all until I added the ground rods off the house box....See Moresub-panel, main panel grounding
Comments (5)"i do not get the seperation between n/g when they are bonded in the main panel, anyway. the code writers are idiots." I find is extremely humorous that you call the code writers "idiots" when you don't even understand basic electrical theory. Because you don't understand why neutrals and grounds are separate in sub panels, the code writers are idiots? You don't even own a copy of the NEC to even look at the codes, yet you're calling code writers idiots. If anyone is the idiot here I bluntly say it's you, smithy. Your posts are a joke. You give blatantly wrong information and advice, and you act like you're some electrical God. Stop posting before you get someone hurt....See MoreNeutral bar connections in main panel
Comments (4)is there a specific reason you need to get rid of the MWBCs? it would be cheaper and easier to just handle tie the breakers then to pull a new neutral to each circuit. as to teh 2nd bus, if it is bonded and local codes allow it, then you cna use it for the new neutrals. you can also usually add another buss if necessary. my SqD panel in my workshop has room to add up to 4 busses, neutral or ground or both....See Moremanchild
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