Eema, I hear you. Good for you too for wading through the emotions to look for Wild's point. I still disagree with it, in this case. The harsh reality is this. A very small percentage of our population has a psychological impairment referred to as Antisocial Personality Disorder. Now, I don't know if Josh had that, but the truth is, that with that many people walking the earth who have not an ounce of caring for other humans, the likelihood of attrocious acts occurring is very high. Not common, but it's gonna happen. And it will happen whether we spend every tax cent on social programs or not. These people do NOT care, about me, or you, or babies, or missing mothers, or anything. For "normal" humans like you and I, it is difficult to fathom this. So we think that if we control situations with rules, and regulations, that we can avoid these awful things. Reality, we cannot. He killed those kids, and the case worker could not have done a thing, nor could have police, or anyone else. I'm grateful they did not have to meet in a public place, because I am quite convinced that he was going to die and take those kids with him regardless of the situation. And when you have a missing wife, and you make as many ridiculous decisions as he did, you are going to have a lot of people hating on you. It just is the nature of humans. If he hadn't killed her, I'm fairly certain he wouldn't have needed to do all the stupid stuff he did. I'm not worried that an innocent man took his life that day. I'm not feeling too guilty that I, or society, or the system forced him to do something horrible. He's part of that 1% that we have to consider humanity's handicap.

Great quotes all around,Don A couple of chuckles are good for the soul. Ronnie Barker and Rudner. David Suzuki's quote hits home and I luv the term "co-evolved". One year I decided to plant some natives in my garden and they did great. Good grief, then the bugs, moths and birds moved in and stripped it all clean. I saw some new shoots coming up from the bottom of the plants, and I figured that the plants were getting ready for the next year. I'm not used to having moth eaten plants with hordes of bugs in my suburban garden, but it looks like I have to co-evolve with the rest of them.

I all ways told my boys to "wrap it twice, no baby before its time!" Had a very honest discussion with my DD about all forms of birth control, including abstinance. She asked about this just before her 18th birthday. Her responses to: Adoption- I couldn't give baby up Abortion- couldn't do that The pill- it causes cancer Abstinance- that's not gonna happen So, I made her an appointment with an OBGYN and she went on the pill. BUT many times I told her long term bf's, "wrap it twice"! No early grandbabies in my family, they listened.

I was about 10 years old, when I saw my first movie and it was about her. I never forgot her. I was very impressed. thanks for the quotes, don.