I saw someone here with large squarish water jugs they were laying on the side so that is how I got the kitty litter container idea. the plastic one I was talking about is like the ones on the link I attached http://www.tidycats.com/Products/Scoop/ I think it has enough room. I planed to cut a flap and leave the lid/cap on since I would have a hole on the top for air and water. I could also remove the lid later for more air. I think it would work well but I am a newbie. bakemom, one other WSer is sending me seeds, thanks so much. Karen Here is a link that might be useful: Kitty Litter container recycle idea link....

Hey, Bill. You know, I also do a bleach bath and it's based on what you wrote a couple months ago in a seed-saving thread. Four parts water to one part bleach for about two to five minutes. I also do the scrub you wrote about in that same thread. It just seemed logical to give the gel removal some mechanical help at the start. I should have thanked you before, but I'm definitely thanking you now. All throughout my processing of the seeds, I'm culling out the undesirable seeds. (My bamboo skewer and I have a mission.) :>) My wife kids me about how meticulous I am. I also use a skewer to spread the seeds out on the cheap paper plates as Bill suggested. I end up moving every seed to a position where it doesn't touch any other seed and that allows me to execute my final culling. So, thanks again, Bill. To know that I am using processes which are very similar to those of an experienced tomato-ologist like you does wonders for my confidence. I also want to thank Dr. Carolyn. It was Dr. C.'s posts that helped me break down all the info and see the actual task (get rid of the gel). She helped me understand that the gel was there to keep the seeds from germinating inside the tomato (although, this happens on rare occasions - but that is a defect) So, I want to thank her as well. My two to three day process doesn't stink half as bad as some of her posts have suggested. LOL :>) I have also concluded that the little bit of tap water I put into the juice and seeds slows down the process. I think it may be the chlorine in that tap water. As soon as that evaporates off, the fermentation really gets going. It's hard to only thank a couple of folks. There are so many others that added their indorsements to the subject. Digdirt, wvtomatoman, jean, trudi, suze, and a host of others. Thanks for caring about folks you have never met face to face. The combined knowledge that is present here is an extremely powerful entity. Lastly, I've always said that the best thing about knowing something happens when you're allowed to pass it on to others. So, again, THANKS!!!!!

Lyban, I'm sorry!! I absolutely love the floors, though I'm already wishing we'd sealed them (I think this will pass as I add furniture, rugs, etc). Unfortunately none of the pictures are very good so far, but here are some anyway. So, approaching hte basement, before you'd have seen really nasty old linoleum with dirt ground in and shiny dirty-looking paint Now you see fresh flat white paint and new charcoal carpet. The new basement floor is visible, but pretend you don't see that yet! Walking into the basement, before there were dirty dark shiny paneled walls (I don't even have any pictures of those), a moldy old dropped ceiling, flourescent lights above gross old panels, and dark brown vinyl tiles that were releasing from years of neglect. This represents a halfway picture, with older paint, the dropped ceiling removed, and new lighting. Then we painted the ceiling flat black (the subject of this thread, of course!), painted the walls bright flat white, and replaced the flooring with diamond-set white and grey vinyl tiles (the commercial stuff by Armstrong). The pictures of the new floor aren't very good...we don't have any of the new furniture we're planning to get and frankly I'm not even sure what I want. So I am definitely open to decorating ideas...I'm thinking charcoal couch, huge area rug (perhaps an accent color?), and a loveseat or additional chairs. Even now, as I sit here, we've placed some of the furniture--TV, our one chair, and the exercise stuff, but I dare not take pictures because DH finally has his TV back after almost 1.5 months! Laundry room main living area, with furniture all pushed to the middle (this was right after installation) To sum up, this is what's happened over the last 6-7 weeks: 1. ripped out old/moldy/disintegrating/incompletely installed dropped ceiling 2. installed can lights (removed old, in some cases nonfunctional, flourescent tubes) 3. painted the unfinished ceiling black (huge ordeal, involved moving almost everything upstairs and then taping off all walls and remaining items with thick plastic sheeting before renting a gigantic power paint sprayer...) 4. demolished huge, old, smelly, dusty-----but surprisingly (and unfortunately for me, the demolisher) well-built!----plywood/particleboard/pegboard/wood closets 5. ripped up nasty old floor tiles that were coming up and breaking into small pieces all over the place (thank you victoria---horrible job); we then lived with nasty black mastic for almost two weeks, until #8 happened this week. 6. Had an asbestos-wrapped copper water pipe professionally removed 7. painted old dark shiny paneled walls flat white, including the stairwell walls and ceiling. 8. installed new VCT tile and base molding, and carpeted the stairs with charcoal-colored carpet

GH That's marvelous our biggest one was only 107 gms and that was huge,.Yes we are both softies, I put the last of a round of SC Mulch on the roses yesterday and underneath was hundreds of those huge lawn grubs so we gathered them all and put them in a bucket and this morning hubby was feeding them to the maggie and her babies. Yes Marion they come in all sizes and ages here and are most welcome. Hi Michelle I will let you know how long the Dahlia's last but the Gerberas last the longest. Jan those beetles don't seem to be worrying the flowers they are just a jolly nuisance when you bring them inside and as I have a black bench top and they are so hard to see. How wonderful that you have got Broadband at last I am so happy for you so now more "I want to use the phone" or "How long are you going to be on I am waiting for a call" Freedom at last to stay on as long and as often as you like. Alison why don't you get a couple of Chickie's they are so much enjoyment. Hi Jules Thanks for posting that pic of the Kestrel that is so cute I have never seen one before is it a baby ? You are a wonderful person to look after all these wild birds and I hope that you have many happy hours with Scarlet I am sure she will love her new owner and home. How is the Mum to be Alpaca wont be long now will it ? Cheers..MM.