Laugable- I love absolutely everything but the old desk. Do you have that next to a banquette, now? If so, great, if not, I think it's going to be an obstacle to get around...maybe a bookcase (cookbooks, etc.) instead?

I think your kitchen layout is amazing and would be wonderful to work in. With that much going on, three sinks seems just right. The one by the back door would be very handy. I'm hardly an expert, but I think you have a great design :)

Yahooooooo! : ) Thanks, Lavender. Let's hope some others agree with you. The bookcase idea is a good one. I personally loved the bookcases that wrapped under the windows in the "Lot of Livin'. . ." kitchen. That desk isn't permanent. At all. Just the spot my sewing machine is parked. (Good light in there.)

Laughable, I remember your former posts quite well! You and Rhome had the kitchen drawn in every possible location in you house! To be honest, I am glad to see you back in your original location. You don't have measurements drawn, so perhaps my 2 concerns are not really concerns, but here goes. First, the space between the peninsula and nook seems tight. I assume you are building the nook yourself after the peninsula is put in, so that can be adjusted accordingly. I just don't want you to think you have more space than you do. Second, prep sink location. It seems to be cutting your prep space short. I understand you want a large expanse of island to work at, but the most useful space in a kitchen (I think) is between the sink where you wash food and the stove. So, I would want to put the prep sink at the other end of the island leaving a very large space between sink and stove. I envision items going straight from fridge to sink, then prepping between sink and stove with kids sitting across from you doing homework, helping out or just chatting. But, that may be personal preference. You know best how you work in a kitchen.

Glad to see you continuing to move forward with your plan.

Agreed. I'd put the rear sink under the rear window, and center the back range on that wall between the windows.

I don't think walking into the front door directly into a sink is a good idea that you will like. At least move the sink to the middle of the DWs.

Given those changes I am not sure you need the other prep sink by the bar. There's a barrier between it and the stove anyway.

The sink by the door, that's your cool farm sink, right? It makes sense that you wouldn't want kids going around the stove, to reach the sink.

The prep sink looks wonderful (IMHO) because it's just like what Newbie was doing on her post...and she had lots of great examples of corner prep sinks, from GWers. Since you have a dining room, I'm guessing the banquette is more for snacks and drinks...maybe a quick meal for the kids? If that's the case, I think it will work out very well.

Sewing machine? Well, you do need a place for that...with lots of light. Is there any space in the dining room, maybe incorporating the sewing storage/machine, in with the bottom of the (I'm guessing storage/buffet) under the dining room windows? That would be a great place to spread out...and you'd have the dining room table for a cutting table, if that works for you :)

I'm SO glad you mentioned sewing, because I completely forgot to include a sewing area, in my new plan. Maybe where I have that table/desk in the sunroom...which would also keep the kitties out of the sewing stuff! LOL

You've probably seen Newbie's post, but I thought I'd link it, just in case :)

Here is a link that might be useful: Link to corner prep sink

All right, you all are like hound dogs on a fresh rabbit trail! LOL You've jumped right to all the things I find a bit questionable about this plan. Although I have to admit I'm getting a bit spun around by all the sink and workzone terminology (I guess that's what happens when there's 3 of them!)

Control- to bring you up to date: I'm relieved the kitchen is here too. Since I posted last, we knocked down the wall between our dining room and living room. I LOVE IT. We all like it very, very much. For the first time in over two years since we moved here, this house feels like *home. Now we're ready to get the kitchen up to snuff.

I think we can tweak the spacing on the nook, thanks for the heads up.

The new (to me, anyway)info lately on the corner sinks is what inspired me to stick a prep sink in the corner of the peninsula, actually. I was really undecided where to put that sink though. I absolutely want to make the best use of the workspace on the peninsula. It was a toss-up for me to put it closer to the stove for filling and emptying pots and canners, or closer to the fridge and have the cutting area in between. I'm very much a hands on cook, so I'm constantly washing my hands, too.

Marcolo, I forgot to specify that the sink by the back door is one of those vintage enamel sinks, 54" wide. If it wasn't I'd probably do what you are suggesting in a heartbeat. I was concerned about walking in the front door onto a sink, too. Here's my personal issue with centering it (and this is coming from someone who absolutely craves symmetry): 1. I want a good landing zone for all the dirty dishes coming in from the dining room when we clean up. 2. I want a spot on that counter to place a blender (we make smoothies almost daily, consisting of fresh greens that need to be rinsed), and for DH to make lunches in the am. I don't know as having 2' is the best option for either of those tasks.
3. Sometimes, but not always, the dishes need to be rinsed before going into the DW. More insights?

Here's my confusion: "Given those changes I am not sure you need the other prep sink by the bar." Could you please clarify? Do you mean the one by the front door?

Are you saying in effect, stick the sink at the end of the peninsula, and let it be shared between the DWs by the fridge and the prep on the island? Trying to understand. . . And trying to picture hauling lg pots of water to the stove and back. . . Hmmmmm

LL Oh, if you sew then you will definitely want to pick your spot out now! : ) I could stick our sewing in the middle room, it's just much more dimly lit.

Thanks for the link. I think I want to see her kitchen layout, too. Time to hunt.

Thanks for your insights all!

Oh, I've also played around with putting a slightly shrunken version of this in the middle of the floor, maybe 28-30" accross:

Bumping, this seems to be falling away quickly.

No, I am saying this.

By the REAR door, move that sink. Put it under the OTHER rear window. Now it can serve for prep to both ranges. Right now you have absolutely zero prep space for the rear range. Zip.

By the FRONT door, that sink makes no sense at the end of a run. Sorry. I cannot imagine how anyone can wash dishes or rinse with that setup. You need landing on both sides of the sink. Plus water will get all over your floor.

If you make both of those changes you may not need the corner sink, for reasons explained in my other comment.

I agree with marcolo that the clean-up area seems far away (where do you plan dish storage?) and that you should at the least plan on centering the sink between dishwashers. However, I can also imagine that sink being handy for home schoolers doing messy art projects - and not having them enter your kitchen work space. I also understand what you are doing with the back sink. It is your farm sink, and I seem to understand that space as combo mudroom/pantry/overflow cooking space. Do you have a link to your old thread? It was super-super long, but may help people that don't remember the process that you've gone through to get to this point.

Like I said, with no measurements I'm not sure how much space you actually have between prep sink and range as currently drawn. So it may not actually be a problem. I admit, as currently planned, my prep sink will go into a corner also. I'll have 40" between it and the range on one side, and another 54" between it and the fridge on the other side as a secondary work (or just spread out) area. Personally, I would want a minimum 36" as my primary prep area. If you have that, you will probably be fine.

I just measured the area in real life, and it looks like approx. 40" from right edge of lg. stove to corner of corner sink. Some of that is shallower because of heat run, so in the 16" closest to the corner sink, it's 17" deep.

Dish storage would be in wall cabs. above DWs. (4' cab. run) Silverware in peninsula b/c I'm one of those cooks who always grabs a fork, spoon, knife to whip, snitch, or otherwise maul what I'm cooking. Cleanup area is closest to DR, where we eat most meals, and still convenient to nook, where I envision us eating quickie meals.

Our clean-up style is this: Lg. pots, pans, cooking utensils, etc. are all washed at what would typically be called the prep sink by the large stove. They won't be carried to the DW zone. Flatware, cups, dishes are all done at the DW zone. Marcolo, I never considered water on the floor. Something to ponder for sure.

I see Marcolo's point of moving back sink, but also am trying to balance the needs Control mentioned (farm sink, etc.) Also, my thought is that all the pots and pans and utensils can be stored under the long run of counter under the big window on the South so that they're shared and convenient to both stoves, and both stoves share the long prep counter under the window as well. . . Might be better to switch though. . .

"zero prep space for the rear range. Zip" True! I prep on 18" of grooved integrated drainboard between the sink and that stove. Trying to weigh out whether or not we could lose that stove and turn that whole section into the baking area. That would easily give us 48" of uppers, and the 30" area could be filled in (anyone have a spare piece of marble laying around for a stove sized pastry board? : ))

Here is the 150 post link to the previous thread.

Here is a link that might be useful: Laughable's former post on kitchen layout

Looking and reading through quickly...And you know I'm going to go at the negatives I see:

Be sure to draw the banquette area on graph paper, because with the bar seating and the desk in the mix with the bench and table, I suspect it may be tighter than will work well.

Do you want your front entrance to open right onto your cleanup sink? I would definitely split the dishwashers so you have counterspace to both sides of the sink. Like others question the location of the cleanup area with having to navigate around the peninsula. Be sure you have a good 4 ft aisle between the peninsula and dishwashers/cabinets.

The fridge door may not open far enough to get drawers out, etc, because of being up against the wall section.

For the size of your family, the use of the kitchen, and your overall needs, I still fear you're short on fridge, storage, and pantry space for the long haul.

If that is where you want the fridge hinge it on the left for maximum doorswing. (Hinged to the right it opens away from the kitchen anyway.

Your cleanup area is outside the kitchen right now, and as Rhome and Marcolo said, right inside the front door.

I think two eating areas (well, three-- if you count the counter and nook separately) may be redundant in a kitchen that has to fit so much function. Why not give more over to function inside the kitchen proper and eat in the dining room?