Good to hear from you Ken. I agree with everything he says. I use acsorbic acid as a pre dip and add it as Ken does sprinkled over the finished product as well, before I freeze. But since you already have Fruit Fresh (acsorbic mixed with citric acid) on hand, you can certainly use it as a pre dip to save the color. (Ascorbic acid works much better though). Mix with water according to the directions on the Fruit Fresh container for a pre treatment and slice the peaches right into it, doing only enough for one pie at a time so as not to let them soak too long in the dip. I also used to sprinkle more of the fruit fresh, when I used to use it, over the finished product before freezing as well. I use 6-7 cups of peeled, sliced, (red centers cut out)peaches per pie (same process for apples but I only use 6 cups apples per pie). If the peaches are ripe, you can just cut the peach into quarters, remove the pit, cut out the red inside, turn the quarter over so the skin side faces you, hold the quarter in one hand and with the other holding the knife, use the knife to grab the top of the peel as it faces you, on each quarter and pull the peel down and off. I never do the boiling thing except if the peaches are not ripe, but then I wouldn't can or freeze them anyway,but I might make jam with them. How many peaches is that? Depends on the size of the peaches... 1 pound = approx 4 medium (tennis ball size)= approx 2 cups sliced. So that would make it approx 12 medium peaches for 6-7 cups of sliced peaches for one pie, in a gallon size baggie for the freezer. My peaches just into the freezer, took 15 to 20 for 6-7 cups because they were so small and had portions cut out that were bruised. As for the clear jel, I'm still fussing with the amount. http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/how/can_02/can_pie/pie_fillings.html The recipes at the above link are for canned fillings. I use these recipes as a starting point and then freeze them. But the amount of Clear-Jel is excessive. I have printed some dialog from another post here with Carol & Linda Lou talking about the recipe for apple pie, filling: Carol- "Here's the link to the NCHFP recipe, which calls for 1 1/2 cups (Clear-Jel), but personally I'd cut it back to 1 cup or even less ClearJel unless you like your fillings really dense." Linda Lou- "I agree with Carol about the pie filling being too thick. When I helped teach the new gals at the extension office this spring I had them thin their pie filling down. No oozing out of the jars that way. Otherwise it does tend to rise up in the jars and ooze out, keeping them from sealing. The headspace when canning pie fillings is important. Corn starch should not be used for the pie fillings, only Clear Jel. Cornstarch will break down and get watery." Carol- "Another downside of those recipes. They're far more likely to boil over. I tend also to allow more a bit more headspace (3/4") for that reason. I really don't know what the extension agencies are thinking of, recommending so much thickening. I freeze ClearJel-thickened cherry pies (unbaked) and put them in the freezer with no problems whatsoever. I don't see any reason why you couldn't freeze the thickened filling. I have never experienced separation of ClearJel in the freezer. Those canned quarts are never sufficient for a pie, as far as I'm concerned. You basically have 3 cups of fruit and all that thickening. I generally use 5-6 cups of fruit per pie, so if I'm making two pies I'd use three quarts of canned fruit, only one of which would be thickened. The other two quarts would be drained of most juice and added to the thickened mixture." (me again Rebecca)- I do the peach pie filling in one of 2 ways to prepare for freezing: 1) I drain the peaches well from the dip. I put the peaches in a large bowl. I mix the Clear-Jel (I usually use about 1/4 cup per pie in 6-7 cups of sliced fruit) with a small amount of sugar, (amount of sugar can vary wildly according to the peaches and your tastes but I guess I usually start with 1/4 to 1/2 cup). I sprinkle another teaspoon or so of ascorbic acid (you= fruit fresh) over top, then I stir all very gently together with a large flat spoon or rubber spatula till sugar is dissolved, then pack into freezer gallon size baggies, press flat to remove air, seal and freeze flat until frozen, (then you can store any way you want). By the way, I really prefer the Glad freezer bags that don't use that pull zipper thing- it seems to catch on everyting in the freezer and punctures things.) Sometimes I put just the sugar over the peaches, stir gently and let sit covered for about 5-10 minutes. I can then taste the peaches to see if they need any more sweetening, or if they need a dash (1 to 3 TBS or so) of lemon juice to tart it up. I then also add my 1/8 tsp salt and seasonings, like cinnamon and/or fresh ground nutmeg and I taste again. (I do a lot of tasting, always with a clean spoon each time). The peaches will give up some juice, which I drain off into a bowl. I then add the Clear-Jel to this juice using a wisk- it can take a minute to get the juice and the Clear-Jel mixed well enough. Then I then add the juice and the Clear-Jel slurry back into the peaches/sugar/lemon juice/spices, add more fruit fresh at the last minute, mix gently and pack and freeze. 2) I lightly blanch/cook the peaches first... to dissolve the sugar, to incorporate the Clear-Jel and to pre-thicken the filling as well as to 'slump' the fruit before freezing and baking, which is the same exact process I use if I am making a pie to bake and not freeze. I do the same as #1, but I add only the suger to the sliced peaches and let them sit for about 10 minutes. Then I drain the juices off. I wisk the clear-jel well into the juices until mixed. I put the juices into a saucepan (large enough to later hold the peaches), and heat the juice on medium high stirring all the time until it just comes to a gentle boil. Then I add the lemon juice and simmer for about a minute, stirring constantly. Then I lower the heat to medium, add the peaches and simmer gently, always gently stirring, for about a minute or 2. Then I remove the peaches from the saucepan (I just put them back into the big metal bowl they sat in earlier, (I add the salt & spices anywhere along the line), where they sit, covered, until cool enough to pack, adding fruit fresh/ascorbic, and freeze. The benefit is that I can see how thick the filling is before freezing and like Ken said- if it's too thin you can make a slurry out of a small amount of water and more Clear-Jel, add to the peaches when they are still being heated, cook another minute or so and correct the thickness (too thick when cooler, like Ken said I just add some water). This summer I froze 2 unbaked peach pies, made 2 gallon bags of peach pie filling for another 2 pies and froze another 5 gallon and 4 Qt bags of plain peach slices (treated with ascorbic and packed with a light sugar syrup) that I use for peach crisp or cobbler, eating as is etc. Lastly I froze 3 QT size bags, treated with ascorbic but no sugar, (each holds 2 cups sliced peaches) that I will use to make no-sugar jam for my diabetic mother in law, in my breadmaker. Each 2 cups makes 2 half pints of jam. I have found that using 1 TBS Clear-Jel mixed in with the water, then the peaches in the breadmaker jam thickens the jam perfectly, much better than the full box of pectin the breadmaker suggested. I also mix in a tiny amount of Splenda at any point in the process if it's not sweet enough. If anyone reads this and if anyone knows- I purchased some "Therm-Flo" at an Amish type market nearby. It was next to the Clear-Jel. The Therm-Flo was marked 'canning/freezing', while the Clear-Jel was marked 'cooking'. No other directions on either. I'm getting confused with all the types that are out there. I know the link above says you must only use regular Clear-Jel for canning, NOT the instant or any other Clear Jel. But I've seen online canned pie fillings that call only for Instant. I believe Clear-Jel A is now the 'regular' Clear-Jel used in the pie fillings in the site link above. But what the heck is Therm-Flo? Is it the freezer Flo Ken refers to above? How is it used that is different than the 'regular' And what do you use the instant for? I have some of that too but don't know in what or how to use it either. Oh well....lilacs of may- enjoy having and preparing all those peaches, and don't worry. I've had soupy peach pies and dry peach pies and many perfect ones. We have loved each one regardless, hot out of the oven on a winter day, on a plate with a fork or in a bowl with cream and a spoon. It's all so good and worth the effort. Best of luck to you, Rebecca

Normally I use apples from my tree, which I grow organically (don't want to harm the hummingbirds), and I still peel them. I do not peel apples that I eat by themselves. I have a device that peels, cores, and slices in one fell swoop, as discussed last month, and so the whole ordeal takes only seconds. This week-end I went out to pick the last of the apples from my tree, and I noticed that they had vanished. I am wondering how they could have disappeared, especially since some of them were at the ends of spindly branches. So I bought apples at the store, and they were a lot more expensive than I expected. Sunday we went to the farmers' market, and I could have bought them there, but they would have been even more expensive. If you are making an apple galette with thin slices of apples on top, it might look pretty to have the peelings on, but it is easier to eat if they are removed. For a pie with a top, I would definitely peel them for guests. Lars

What exactly is "approved" sources? I don't imagine the government approves any sources other than themselves, so who is doing the approving? Is there some kind of list somewhere you are referring to? Or do you mean only use recipes listed on the NCHFP website? The Ball Corporation (Jarden in Canada) publications on home canning have been held as THE approved source for over 100 years. The are often referred to as the canning bible and are well known for their ongoing research and updated publications on safety issues. This was long before the USDA or FDA came into existence. Also for decades Rodale Publishing was also regarded as totally safe in their canning publications. Unfortunately they quit maintaining the currency of their canning publications when NCHFP was created but with a few exceptions most of their publications are still valid. In addition there are the USDA and FDA publications, all the publications from NCHFP, all the publications from the many land-grant university extension services, and many publication from well-known food scientists such as Linda Ziedrich, Ellie Topp, Margaret Howard, etc. People who have the educational credentials and research background to know what they are talking about as opposed to the many bloggers and authors that merely subscribe to the "it hasn't killed anyone yet" school of science. There are a number of discussions here about what constitutes approved sources, which books are approved and which should be avoided, and reviews of various canning blogs pro and con. There used to be a number of MFP's (Master Food Preservers) that participated here on a regular basis and we made a concerted effort to review new publications and websites as they came up. Unfortunately Deanna and I are the only ones we have heard from since the move to Houzz but all that past info from the others is still available here and classes are available to anyone who wishes to takes them through their local county extension service. If you don't want to invest the time in getting the MFP credentials then take some basic classes or even the basic online course offered by NCHFP is a place to start. Honestly I find a lot of this kind of arbitrary. I'm sure it does seem that way when one is new to the process or has none of the underlying science training. But they aren't arbitrary. There are valid reasons, based in research and testing for all these guidelines. So everyone is left choices: (1) to either get the training so that they do understand it all and know where changes can and cannot be made (2) or accept them at face value and do them in order to have the assurances of safety they provide (3) or to challenge, question, ignore, and criticize them and just do their own thing when it comes to canning as long as they willingly accept the associated risks that come with that approach. The internet has plenty of blogs and forums that have adopted #3 approach and preach against the accepted guidelines. In some cases it is because they don't know any better, in some cases it is because they don't care, and in some cases it is because they claim to hate the government and reject all that it stands for or represents. This particular forum has long had the reputation of being safety oriented, or rejecting the make-it-up-as-you-go-along canning methods, and a place where those new to home canning can get safe advice. Are the guidelines perfect? Of course not. But they are the best and safest options we have available. Dave

I freeze dutch apple pies before I bake them. Is dutch apple topping the same as streusel? Every fall I make about a dozen peach pies and apple pies for the holidays, freeze and bake when needed. I wrap them in non-stick aluminum foil and freeze in freezer ziploc bags. Unwrap, place frozen on lined cookie sheet at preheated 375 for 15 minutes, then reduce to 325 until they bubble over a bit. Usually about an hour or so. (But my oven runs hot.) You really can't tell the difference between fresh baked and frozen baked. You have a lucky plumber!!