Thanks.

I really wanted a speed oven and 30" wall oven, but my kitchen setup won't allow it. Thus I need to find a speed oven that can be mounted under counter and there aren't many. My wife wants a microwave, but I don't usually use them. So, this coupled with a standard 30" oven also under counter mounted would seem to be a great combo and cheaper than the Miele. The fact that it is the only full sized speed oven is a definite plus.

Thanks!

you might want to seriously reconsider this if it's to do primary duty as a microwave !

Better have the wife go and see one in person to how it'll work everyday. It only has wire racks and those are not that great to use for things one typically microwaves.

Also at $4000+/- it's not cheaper than the miele speed oven that can be mounted undercounter.

I'm a bit confused - will you have a single oven period, or a single convection oven + another oven which will need o be a speed oven?

What are you going to be cooking on a regular basis that would utilize the speed oven or is this simply a vanity purchase?

With this oven you are also giving up a lot of cabinet footage too. An entire 30" swath to be exact. Most of the speed ovens are 24" wide and also allow a drawer underneath them which can be valuable in a small kitchen.

Seems to me you might be too focused on the price and "speed oven" mystique at the expense getting something that truly meets all of your and the wife's needs.

I'm either going with a range and a drawer micro or I was going to go the two oven route (both need to be under countertop) and a cooktop. While the Thermador is more expensive than the Miele, the second oven isn't so the overall price on the package becomes cheaper.

I just don't like microwaves although you do give me some pause as the Thermador only has wire racks.

Not sure what my other options are as I'd like to have two ovens, but don't have the room for that and a microwave and I haven't found any undercounter microwave drawers that at least have convection.

Interested in other options if you can think of any. The only appliance we don't need is a fridge so I'm trying to stay under 10k for the ovens, the cooktop and dishwasher.

All micro drawers are made by Sharp regardless of the logo on front and none have convection oven features.

I'm still not comprehending the math. A miele single oven + speed oven would be the same or less than two T'dor ovens incld. the 301. If you're saying that oven "x" is cheaper than a Miele single oven, I can grasp that - put it in the column. Now we're looking at the speed oven and I'm pretty sure the 301 is going to be the most expensive one out there so I'm having a hard time squaring the total column. I mean the cheapest Tdor single is $2500 +/- so you're looking at 6500 bucks total package. How much were you quoted on the Miele pair??? Even going top of the line you'd be looking at +500 for the miele pair, but get better functionality and reliability for less than 10%. T'dor ovens have had some issues and recalls recently. If you were willing to forgo some bells and whistles you could whittle a miele set to $5700-$5800.

Calculations aside - the micro drawer is a nice bit of kit for undercounter. I thinks it's main drawback is most have motorized door opening and it's a bit slow for my tastes. Second I find it awkward for just warming up a cup of cocoa or tea. If you don't use a micro for tasks like that or are as impatient as my crowd , it becomes moot.

$10k is a good budget for those four and you have plenty of options.

My local Thermador dealer just informed me that the unit I was asking about is now discontinued. Guess I was the only interested party. With regards to the Miele, I wish the Chef edition was still available (my dealer can only get master chef) as that would solve my issue. Not sure how else to whittle a miele set down in price.

My quest continues ....

Might be time to find a new dealer. Not certain about the T'dor, but wouldn't surprise me given the value proposition.

I'll be shocked if I go in tomorrow and find the Chef S.O. has been scrapped. H4042 is still up on the website as of today. BTW, if the dealer can get miele he can get miele.! Can always order it online too though I advocate buying local.

I thought it seemed odd that the Chef series in both the standard 30 wall oven and the speed oven were still on Miele's website (but by the same token, so is the Thermador so who knows). There is only one Miele dealer where I am (albeit with 6 locations) so if he isn't willing to source it, I will be forced to purchase online.

Any other suggestions other than Miele? Unless I go with a range and microwave drawer, I think the speed oven coupled with a larger convection is the way to go.