AJ Madison lists 38 220v speed ovens. Should be something that'll go in an island.

"Under-the-counter installation flexibility" is listed under the pdf Specifications sheet on the Madison site for the 220v Advantium Model PSB9240SFSS - Stainless steel Here.

Thanks. Yes, I saw those specs as well on some vendor sites but the installation instructions on the GE site are inconsistent. The spec sheet on the AJ Madison site are revised 7/2013, and apparently there are newer specs, and the GE site docs are current.

I hadn't seen you could search by voltage, I'll try that!

The Thermador MC30WS ($2300) and Bosch HMC80242UC ($1800) -- both of which can be installed under a counter -- appear identical* except for controls and appearance which isn't surprising as both brands are owned by the BSH. There are reviews of the Bosch on Home Depot, Lowes, and Best Buy.

*Use the comparison feature on appliancesconnection.com

The reason that you can't install under island probably has to do with these appliances requiring some air movement in the back of the unit. If you can't provide for that, then most of the appliances will be exposed to more heat than they are normally designed for. So, even if the installation instructions from a particular manufacturer don't explicitly call out island installation as a problem, they all have this problem.

But if you talk to your cabinet maker, there might be a solution for how you can install a hidden vent in the back. That depends a lot on what your island looks like, though. But you can often tuck it away under some countertop overhang.

For example, I don't recall whether the Miele SpeedOven (which I generally like) says anything about island installation. But I do recall that for both our Miele CSO and for the SpeedOven, we had to make sure there was a vent chase in the back of the tall kitchen cabinets that they went into. Replicating this design in an island is more difficult, but certainly doable. We have freezer drawers in our island and the cabinet maker did take venting into account.

HI M, the installation instructions for the wall mounted don't require anything like this.
Even if it were a technical issue that could be resolved by the cabinet maker, the problem is GE was clear that it would void the warranty to do so. I have had too many appliances to risk doing that. I suspect it's a liability thing they out in after a lawsuit where someone's small child hung off the open door and hurt themselves, or something like that.

If it's a liability rather than a technical thing, then that would almost certainly run afoul of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. And they can't actually void your warranty. Now, whether that's a fight you want to fight is a completely different thing. In case of a claim, it would be necessary to prove that the defect is independent of the installation location, and I don't quite recall who bears the burden of the proof.

On the off chance you wanted to go this route, talk to a lawyer for 30 min. That's actually pretty cheap and would get you a good sense of the risks involved (e.g. can you sort out any disputes in small claims court, should it ever get to that point?)

"On the off chance you wanted to go this route, talk to a lawyer for 30 min."

About installing an oven without following the manufacturer's instructions? This is bonkers.

There might be building code issues that could touch on this, but that wasn't part of this discussion. That would certainly be something you'd want to check with your lawyer.

But I replied just to the claim that the manufacturer would void the warranty. And that's one of the things I feel really strongly about. The US doesn't have much in the way of consumer protection laws. But it does have one very strong law that governs warranties. It is much harder to void a warranty than most manufacturers would like to have you believe -- and unfortunately than what most consumers are readily prepared to believe.

I dislike my Bosch speed oven for a variety of reasons. I would not buy one again. And I am in general a huge Bosch fan. Bosch wall oven, Bosch cooktop, Bosch dishwasher — chosen out of love, not any matchy-matchy wish. Good luck.

Mis Lizzie, I am considering a Bosch speed oven. May i ask why you don’t like it? is it noisy? Reason I ask is that I want to put in a cabinet where the other side is family room . Concerned if fan noise is loud?

Most of these type of devices require fans and thus will make some amount noise. A good cabinet maker can mitigate some of the noise -- and of course an inexperienced cabinet maker can actually amplify this noise by introducing resonance.

In the end, it really depends on your personal tolerance. Some people would barely notice, whereas others will be extremely upset that the appliance isn't perfectly silent, in which case your only option is a basic gas appliance. Everything else will have fans.

Your best bet is finding an appliance store that allows you to listen to the noise level and make a personal decision on whether this is OK in your kitchen.

adel97 - what did you end up picking? I am in the same boat. I want the 240V Advantium, but it needs to be installed under counter (my daughter is a Little Person). The Thermador and Bosch allow for under counter, but I can't find any similar reviews.

I’d love to hear an update as well. This thread has been very educational. Also in the same boat of only having space for a speed oven in the kitchen island (this would be in place of a microwave) but struggling to determine which brand/model is most reliable/functional but safe to install under counter.

Great to hear, nycbluedevil_gw! Do you have this setup in lieu of a microwave? Trying to figure how much of an inconvenience the undercounter speed oven would be for frequent use (vs a MW drawer). I have little patience for MW drawers but I am short, so could be underestimating the annoyance of a taller person using the speed oven for microwaving!

We have a stack of a Miele CSO and a Miele SpeedOven in a tall cabinet. The SpeedOven is at about eye level. I love the combination and would absolutely recommend it, if you have the space and the budget.

But I am sure I could easily adjust to having the SpeedOven under the counter. We have a traditional gas range, and it comes with an "undercounter" oven, of course. We use this oven quite frequently, because of its very powerful infrared broiler. And that requires close inspection of the food while it is in the oven. Only takes a couple of seconds to go from barely brown to catching on fire. If I can handle staring deep into my oven, I am sure I can handle a microwave at the same level.

That placement is maybe not ideal, but every kitchen is an exercise in compromises; and this seems to be one of the less annoying ones.

Thanks M, good to know! Will revisit the Miele.

I ended up putting the 240v advantium under counter. I called and spoke with service desk and they didn’t see a problem. I will say the phone app is really helpful. Otherwise I’d need to get on my knees to set it for precision cooking.

Overall works well. My LG air fryer still better at crisping. Kids want to keep it in the appliance garage.

Yes, my speed oven acts as my microwave. i have no problem seeing the controls. Besides, there is a minute plus oven which i use most of the time when using as a microwave.

Minute plus button, not oven.

Has anyone look at, or used, the Summit CMV 24? It fits the bill on being a shorter height to be used above a raised DW installation, but there are not a lot of reviews for it.

"Has anyone look at, or used, the Summit CMV 24?"

There are reviews of this product on Amazon including from a guy who bought 16 of them for an apartment building.

Hi if GE Profile 240v advantium coud be installed under a counter then why can't we do it to Cafe ones? They are technically identical?

@Holger Bach: "Hi if GE Profile 240v advantium coud be installed under a counter then why can't we do it to Cafe ones?"

The Advance Planning sections of the GE Profile and Cafe installation instructions state clearly that neither appliance is approved for installation this way.