Thanks all of you! All of these are brand new roses to me and so far I love them all! This morning when I looked out...Golden Celebration and Jubilee Celebration both have blooms opened. I think the Austins might be my favorites. I can't wait for them to all mature and have a big flush! Happy Gardening to you all. April

Alright, alright.....I'll give my little dust bunnies a new home and invest in more RAM, which I had wanted to do anyway, and maybe even an extra fan somewhere, but the original question still persists....why such a "hard" freeze, and why at such a specific event? As I mentioned, I can work a long time and save many times by clicking the "save" icon in the toolbar, but using "save" or "save as" in the fly down window under the "file" command usually ends up in a total lock-up....and the length of time I have been working doesn't seem to matter. My machine has locked me out as early as the first save event. I work with Corel and have no problem (so far) but working with ArtCam or ArtShade...I freeze..hard and total. This is what makes me think there is a deeper, more specific problem than the general heat/RAM thing. I rarely have occasion to work with word processing, or data bases on this machine, so I don't know how they behave during a save. I just find it interesting/frustrating that my machine locks at such a specific event.. and just have to wonder......Is how computers handle a "save" or "save as" command specific to individual programs, or is it an operating system issue?

I'm hoping I did this right. First I think I should mention: After I clicked install I had a message pop up that said "HJT appears to have been started from a temp folder. Since temp. folders tend to be emptied regularly it's wise to copy HJT.exe to a folder of its own, for instance C:Program Files\HiJackThis This way, any back ups tht will be made of fixed items won't be lost. Please quite HJT & copy it to a separate folder 1st before fixing any items." I didn't know how to do this..so I just clicked ok. I then clicked System Scan & save logfile button.... then received a message that said.. "For some reason your system denied write access to the hosts file. If any hijacked domains are in this file, HJT may NOT be able to fix this. If that happens, you need to edit the file yourself. to do this, click start, run & type: notepad C:\Windows\Systems32\drivers\etc\hosts & press enter. find the line(s) hjt reports & delete them. Save the files as 'hosts' (w/ quotes), & reboot. For Vista (which is what I have) Simply, exit HJT, right click on the HJT icon, choose 'run as administrator'. Wasn't sure what that was all about either so I clicked ok and then it scanned. The scan literally only took seconds. Is this normal? I didn't do anything else. I also still have all the notepad and the Trend Micro Hijack screen open. ? Here's what the notepad says... Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2 Scan saved at 9:33:05 PM, on 9/5/2009 Platform: Windows Vista SP1 (WinNT 6.00.1905) MSIE: Internet Explorer v8.00 (8.00.6001.18813) Boot mode: Normal Running processes: c:\PROGRA~2\mcafee.com\agent\mcagent.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\NETGEAR\WG111v2\WG111v2.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\NewTech Infosystems\NTI Backup Now 5\BkupTray.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\MSN\Toolbar\3.0.0988.2\msntask.exe C:\Users\Alisha & Justin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\N7MSVX98\HijackThis[1].exe R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://homepage.acer.com/rdr.aspx?b=ACAW&l=0409&s=1&o=vp64&d=1006&m=aspire_x3200 R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896 R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://homepage.acer.com/rdr.aspx?b=ACAW&l=0409&s=1&o=vp64&d=1006&m=aspire_x3200 R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://homepage.acer.com/rdr.aspx?b=ACAW&l=0409&s=1&o=vp64&d=1006&m=aspire_x3200 R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896 R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896 R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://homepage.acer.com/rdr.aspx?b=ACAW&l=0409&s=1&o=vp64&d=1006&m=aspire_x3200 R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page = C:\Windows\SysWOW64\blank.htm R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = O1 - Hosts: ::1 localhost O2 - BHO: (no name) - (02478D38-C3F9-4efb-9B51-7695ECA05670) - (no file) O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - (06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3) - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll O2 - BHO: McAfee Phishing Filter - (27B4851A-3207-45A2-B947-BE8AFE6163AB) - c:\PROGRA~2\mcafee\msk\mskapbho.dll O2 - BHO: Groove GFS Browser Helper - (72853161-30C5-4D22-B7F9-0BBC1D38A37E) - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office12\GRA8E1~1.DLL O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In SSV Helper - (761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43) - C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\ssv.dll O2 - BHO: scriptproxy - (7DB2D5A0-7241-4E79-B68D-6309F01C5231) - c:\PROGRA~2\mcafee\VIRUSS~1\scriptsn.dll O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Notifier BHO - (AF69DE43-7D58-4638-B6FA-CE66B5AD205D) - C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\5.1.1309.3572\swg.dll O2 - BHO: McAfee SiteAdvisor BHO - (B164E929-A1B6-4A06-B104-2CD0E90A88FF) - c:\PROGRA~2\mcafee\SITEAD~1\mcieplg.dll O2 - BHO: MSN Toolbar Helper - (d2ce3e00-f94a-4740-988e-03dc2f38c34f) - C:\Program Files (x86)\MSN\Toolbar\3.0.0988.2\msneshellx.dll O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - (DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9) - C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll O3 - Toolbar: McAfee SiteAdvisor Toolbar - (0EBBBE48-BAD4-4B4C-8E5A-516ABECAE064) - c:\PROGRA~2\mcafee\SITEAD~1\mcieplg.dll O3 - Toolbar: MSN Toolbar - (1E61ED7C-7CB8-49d6-B9E9-AB4C880C8414) - C:\Program Files (x86)\MSN\Toolbar\3.0.0988.2\msneshellx.dll O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [mcagent_exe] "C:\Program Files (x86)\McAfee.com\Agent\mcagent.exe" /runkey O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PCMMediaSharing] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Acer Arcade Live\Acer HomeMedia Connect\Kernel\DMS\PCMMediaSharing.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Reader Speed Launcher] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [BkupTray] "C:\Program Files (x86)\NewTech Infosystems\NTI Backup Now 5\BkupTray.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Trigger New Acer AlaunchX] c:\Acer\Preload\Command\AlaunchX\AppInRun.exe O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Product Registration] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Acer\Acer Registration\ACE1.exe" /startup O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acer Assist Launcher] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Acer\Acer Assist\launcher.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTTask.exe" -atboottime O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iTunesHelper] "C:\Program Files (x86)\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GrooveMonitor] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office12\GrooveMonitor.exe" O4 - HKLM\..\RunOnce: [New Acer AlaunchX] c:\Acer\Preload\Command\AlaunchX\LaunchAlaunchX.exe O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [WindowsWelcomeCenter] rundll32.exe oobefldr.dll,ShowWelcomeCenter O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [WMPNSCFG] C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\WMPNSCFG.exe O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ehTray.exe] C:\Windows\ehome\ehTray.exe O4 - Global Startup: NETGEAR WG111v2 Smart Wizard.lnk = ? O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office12\EXCEL.EXE/3000 O9 - Extra button: Send to OneNote - (2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49) - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office12\ONBttnIE.dll O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: S&end to OneNote - (2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49) - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office12\ONBttnIE.dll O9 - Extra button: Research - (92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263) - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office12\REFIEBAR.DLL O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll O13 - Gopher Prefix: O16 - DPF: (0CCA191D-13A6-4E29-B746-314DEE697D83) (Facebook Photo Uploader 5 Control) - http://upload.facebook.com/controls/2008.10.10_v5.5.8/FacebookPhotoUploader5.cab O16 - DPF: (48DD0448-9209-4F81-9F6D-D83562940134) (MySpace Uploader Control) - http://lads.myspace.com/upload/MySpaceUploader1006.cab O16 - DPF: (4F1E5B1A-2A80-42CA-8532-2D05CB959537) (MSN Photo Upload Tool) - http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w3/resources/VistaMSNPUplden-us.cab O16 - DPF: (C1FDEE68-98D5-4F42-A4DD-D0BECF5077EB) (EPUImageControl Class) - http://tools.ebayimg.com/eps/wl/activex/eBay_Enhanced_Picture_Control_v1-0-27-0.cab O18 - Protocol: grooveLocalGWS - (88FED34C-F0CA-4636-A375-3CB6248B04CD) - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office12\GR99D3~1.DLL O18 - Protocol: sacore - (5513F07E-936B-4E52-9B00-067394E91CC5) - c:\PROGRA~2\mcafee\SITEAD~1\mcieplg.dll O23 - Service: Acer HomeMedia Connect Service - CyberLink - C:\Program Files (x86)\Acer Arcade Live\Acer HomeMedia Connect\Kernel\DMS\CLMSServer.exe O23 - Service: Agere Modem Call Progress Audio (AgereModemAudio) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\agr64svc.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\Alg.exe,-112 (ALG) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\alg.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: Apple Mobile Device - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\bin\AppleMobileDeviceService.exe O23 - Service: Bonjour Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Bonjour\mDNSResponder.exe O23 - Service: NTI Backup Now 5 Agent Service (BUNAgentSvc) - NewTech Infosystems, Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\NewTech Infosystems\NTI Backup Now 5\Client\Agentsvc.exe O23 - Service: @dfsrres.dll,-101 (DFSR) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\DFSR.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: Empowering Technology Service (ETService) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Acer\Empowering Technology\Service\ETService.exe O23 - Service: ForceWare Intelligent Application Manager (IAM) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\bin32\nSvcAppFlt.exe O23 - Service: Google Update Service (gupdate1c98b18a2a5b35d) (gupdate1c98b18a2a5b35d) - Google Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Update\GoogleUpdate.exe O23 - Service: Google Software Updater (gusvc) - Google - C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Common\Google Updater\GoogleUpdaterService.exe O23 - Service: iPod Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe O23 - Service: @keyiso.dll,-100 (KeyIso) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service (LightScribeService) - Hewlett-Packard Company - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe O23 - Service: McAfee SiteAdvisor Service - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\McAfee\SiteAdvisor\McSACore.exe O23 - Service: McAfee Services (mcmscsvc) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\PROGRA~2\McAfee\MSC\mcmscsvc.exe O23 - Service: McAfee Network Agent (McNASvc) - McAfee, Inc. - c:\PROGRA~2\COMMON~1\mcafee\mna\mcnasvc.exe O23 - Service: McAfee Scanner (McODS) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee\VIRUSS~1\mcods.exe O23 - Service: McAfee Proxy Service (McProxy) - McAfee, Inc. - c:\PROGRA~2\COMMON~1\mcafee\mcproxy\mcproxy.exe O23 - Service: McAfee Real-time Scanner (McShield) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\PROGRA~1\McAfee\VIRUSS~1\mcshield.exe O23 - Service: McAfee SystemGuards (McSysmon) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\PROGRA~2\McAfee\VIRUSS~1\mcsysmon.exe O23 - Service: McAfee Personal Firewall Service (MpfService) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\McAfee\MPF\MPFSrv.exe O23 - Service: @comres.dll,-2797 (MSDTC) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\msdtc.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: McAfee Anti-Spam Service (MSK80Service) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\McAfee\MSK\MskSrver.exe O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\System32\netlogon.dll,-102 (Netlogon) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: ForceWare IP service (nSvcIp) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\bin32\nSvcIp.exe O23 - Service: NTI Backup Now 5 Backup Service (NTIBackupSvc) - NewTech InfoSystems, Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\NewTech Infosystems\NTI Backup Now 5\BackupSvc.exe O23 - Service: NTI Backup Now 5 Scheduler Service (NTISchedulerSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\NewTech Infosystems\NTI Backup Now 5\SchedulerSvc.exe O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (nvsvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\psbase.dll,-300 (ProtectedStorage) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: Cyberlink RichVideo Service(CRVS) (RichVideo) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\Shared Files\RichVideo.exe O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\Locator.exe,-2 (RpcLocator) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\locator.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\samsrv.dll,-1 (SamSs) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: SCM_Service - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\SysWOW64\WinService.exe O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\SLsvc.exe,-101 (slsvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\SLsvc.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\snmptrap.exe,-3 (SNMPTRAP) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\snmptrap.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\spoolsv.exe,-1 (Spooler) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\spoolsv.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\ui0detect.exe,-101 (UI0Detect) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\UI0Detect.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\vds.exe,-100 (vds) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\vds.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\vssvc.exe,-102 (VSS) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\vssvc.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%Systemroot%\system32\wbem\wmiapsrv.exe,-110 (wmiApSrv) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\wbem\WmiApSrv.exe (file missing) O23 - Service: @%ProgramFiles%\Windows Media Player\wmpnetwk.exe,-101 (WMPNetworkSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmpnetwk.exe (file missing) -- End of file - 12014 bytes

Thanks for the suggestions........seems like he (they, him and wife) have narrowed it down to probably a virus. They thought they had the right anti virus program but figured it had expired and they didn't know it. Guess it was one of those 90 day trial offers. Anyway, thanks for the fix.........