Heads Up re National Builders Supply Toilet Shipping
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Buying a Toto online Natl Builers Supply vs Local Fixture store
Comments (9)cottagecindy: "I see online thru Natl Builders supply and Builders direct store that the same toilet is only $304.50 then add the seat. I don't get it. Is it the SAME toilet made in the SAME location?" We are tireless advocates of buying locally to support local merchants, but we encountered a similarly large price disparity last year when we were looking to purchase a Toto Vespin II, so we compromised our principles and bought the toilet from National Builders Supply. NBS is located in the same neighborhood as Toto's United States factory (and Subaru of America's headquaters, FWIW). The toilet is a genuine Toto; we installed it one year ago today, and it has worked flawlessly for 365 days. The components of the toilet and the seat were packaged in boxes within boxes, using a combination of styrofoam peanuts and foamed-in styrofoam. The amount of time required to unpack the toilet should make you ponder if you want to pay a plumber's hourly rates to perform that (non-plumbing) job for you. Unpacking the toilet preferably should be done in a room that can be sealed tightly, as it will make the biggest mess you ever have seen, and the styrofoam bits and pieces all carry electrostatic charges that will make them cling to EVERYTHING. Getting the boxes and the removed styrofoam into a vehicle for transportation to another site after unpacking the toilet, and then disposing of them, will be another major job in itself. Bottom line is that, for the amount of money we saved, we would do it again....See MoreWhy no national licensing for GC's?
Comments (20)Re: "Posted by jasonmi7 (My Page) on Sat, Apr 11, 09 at 22:55 My question is; if many of you feel there should be much more strict standards on GC licensing; what are you doing to make it happen? How many of you have contacted your state legislatures, your congresspeople, run petitions? What have you done?" Good point and one I hope every reader takes to heart. I personally have become quite involved in local politics over this exact issue. I've also been involved w/consumer organizations that deal w/the issue, signed petitions, written countless letters, etc. Many people quickly become discouraged and give up, when they find out the legislators are more interested in getting campaign donations from the local buiders association. But I think in time, if people stick to it, they often have some success. I've kind of concluded that licensing is not in itself a good solution--there needs to be a licensing board that is not just run by builders as that's just more self-regulation and it never works. A bond is a good idea, but also there needs to be a public complaint database that isn't censored by the govt or builders or anyone. Criminalizing certain construction frauds is also needed. Educating consumers is also needed and that's something anyone can do, to share what they know about their construction mishaps, what they learned about the state's licensing or lack of it, etc. I was, and still am, determined to make my bad experience be worth something, so I continue to work in these issues and encourage others to do the same. If you want things to improve you have to work on it. It doesn't work if people just sit there and assume a handful of consumer advocates like hadd.com and hobb.org will do all the work. They need numbers of people to help. Citizen apathy is a very bad thing, whether it's about homebuilding, taxes, health care or any issue....See MoreMore trouble in our food supply chain?
Comments (33)dcarch, some of us have always eaten all parts of the animal. I've grown up knowing about jowl bacon, liver dumplings, pickled pig's feet/knuckles, head cheese, cracklins, liver and onions. We ground up the heart to use in chili, usually, and made sandwiches from tongue and made soup from the oxtail way before it was popular. We always ate the "giblets" when we had turkey or chicken or game birds too, grandma would save gizzards and pressure cook them until they were tender and made "chicken ala king" out of them. I had to smile the other day at the grocery store, I found chicken gizzards for sale in pints. Chicken feet were always used for stock, as was fish heads, soup bones and pretty much everythng else, including the testicles/mountain oysters. I was taught that wasting any part of the animal was disrespectful, that animal was killed to feed us and so everything must be used. Of course, we were also taught that if we killed it, we ate it. Period. Nothing was ever killed for horns or display or for the "sport" of it. I still think that a big part of the problem is the sheer volune that we think we must eat. Half pound burgers and steaks that weigh a pound or more and whole racks of ribs. Cut our comsumption in half and we can afford the "good stuff" without increasing the grocery bill substantially. Annie...See MoreStore brands/generics vs National brands
Comments (23)Rachelellen, I had to laugh when you specified crackers. :) I bought some house brand crackers last month and I think I know know why they were so cheap --- there was not ONE whole cracker in the entire package. (They tasted "eh...ok".) Back when we had the store, I used to get trade mags that often covered the politics and econimics of private labelling. Trust me, stores aren't carrying house brands out of concern for your wallet. It's a very lucrative area for them. Some products with different names are identical -- for example, Best Mayo on one side fo the county is Hellman's on the other. I don't know why. And, yes, private label products are made by some of the same companies that make similar/same brand names; however, that doesn't always mean the product is the same. Hunts might sell it's excess manufacturing capacity to Kroger or WalMart to create a house brand of product, but they do not always (or often, even) use the sam formulations. There may be more/less spices, more/less liquid to solid ration, less quality ingredients. I find most house brand diced tomoates taste fine, but there is less "meat" and more liquid than my favortie brand name comparable product. On the other hand, I don't like a lot of carp in my canned beans, so I'm happy with the house brand I buy because it has NO HFCS (why do you need that in beans anyway?), salt or other "stuff" in them. (Yes, I could use dried, but I'm lazy sometimes.) it's hit or miss. I'll buy a single unit of something and try it, but if it doesn't pass muster, I go back to my tried-and-true. What I do NOT like is the stores trying to force me to buy house brand by decreasing the space allowed for brand names. Yes, they make a bigger profit on house brands (in spite of the lower consumer price, they do make more or they wouldn't be doing it), but I want a choice....See Moregbsim1
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