Yeah, what's new with our GREEDY STATE!!!! It's not sold in Calif there should be no taxes on it, PERIOD!!!

Now they trying to get around the Supreme Court, I sure
hope they don't!

Gary

In other news, many citizens exceed the speed limit.

"Yeah, what's new with our GREEDY STATE!!!! It's not sold in Calif there should be no taxes on it, PERIOD!!! "

I agree with you -

but.................that's not the law on the books - so you guys owe. No different really than paying for government schools with your taxes even though you have no kids or send them to private school.

I also agree that it's not some out of state business' job to police /collect for CA either.

So, comply, move somewhere more commerce friendly, change the law, or vote in pols that will.

You really didn't think the great scenery, weather and all those natural resources were a birthright - did you ???

The problem is , as goes California so will the rest of the states eventually.
I hope these bills fail miserably, about 80% of the goods I buy are online and out of state.
I probably save a $1000 or more each year by buying online.

It does not surprise me, with our legislature bought and paid for by the corporate political donor class and their untouchable tax perks, that the FTB finds itself going after the middle class.

This is but one example of California's predation on wage earners. Others include the atrocious hiking of vehicle licensing fees, sales tax increases statewide, tuition hikes at state universities, the pullback of LOCAL tax revenue historically designated for the cities and counties, much of that paid by homeowners, etc.

I will add that I find it difficult to believe that 98.6% of internet sales go untaxed, though, for the reason that vehicles, both offroad and on, MUST make up more than 1.4% of internet purchases. And, as California residents will tell you, you ALWAYS pay sales tax on it in California when you go to the DMV, unless you are Exxon or BP or Fox or Sony, in which case you needn't concern yourself with trifles like waiting in line at the DMV.

What I find most interesting is that while 90%+ of Californians are skipping out on taxes they owe, the majority of Californians keep voting for politicians in favour of raising taxes.
It reminds me of our President talking about how he and other wealthy people like him should sacrifice more of their income but when it comes to filing his tax return, sure enough he's taking all the deductions available to him and paying the Bush tax rate that he constantly bemoans.

What I find most interesting is that while 90%+ of Californians are skipping out on taxes they owe, the majority of Californians keep voting for politicians in favour of raising taxes.

Massholes move to New Hampshire to escape crippling taxes then vote for candidates that favor higher taxes.

New Yorkers move to Florida to escape crippling taxes then vote for candidates that favor higher taxes.

Then there are the Trust Fund Limo Liberals....

It is perplexing.

Ya "Hit the nail on the head " with your last post, deegeaux!!

That is exactly what happened here in Calif. We had a pretty balanced govt (Moderatle), until the Massholes, New Yorkers, and other East Coasters moved here, along with a ton of Chicagoians, Unfortunately they brought a
"New Meaning to LEFT COAST"

Being a native, that is to say the least, discouraging, We welcome them and understand why they moved (Weather here), but it sure would have been nice had they left their
"Left Govt with high taxes" back where they came from.

I would have like to seen some kind of Calif Law, where they (those that moved here), could not run for a California Public Office, until they were residents of Calif for at least 20 years---Maybe by that time at least enough of them might have "Smartened Up" and not left us with the "California Mess" We have TODAY!!!

Gary

Wow It's everyone fault but ours. You gotta love California..

The "mess" California is in is no different than any other state. As a percentage of GDP our deficit issues are less than many states. We have 700 billion more in GDP than, oh, say Republican, Right Wing, Texas, but our budget shortfalls are very close to identical. And California has 12 MILLION more population.

You can trace our problems DIRECTLY to the rise of so-called "conservatism" under former Republican Governor Ronald Reagan, which is actually code speak for "spend as much as you want on projects the billionaires back and send the tax bill to the middle class."

The Chamber of Commerce of California never saw a water project they didn't love or a tax bill they weren't happy to pawn off on somebody else.

The rise of corporate "personhood" under people like Reagan, Bush x 2, and Clinton, and their predatory, activist, judicial appointments, are what enables GE and a thousand other parasitic organizations and persons to "own" houses of Congress and literally write our tax laws for us. This guarantees that corporate profits will continue to rise into the trillions while the bills for the infrastructure to support that will continue to be shifted to the working class. Education suffers, infrastructure suffers, health care and public safety suffers, and GE pays millions to the CEO and less in taxes than I do.

Meanwhile, California, with a legislature full of billionaire's butt-boys under the direct control of the right wing political donor class, frantically seek out ways to extract even more money from the working people and small businesses of the state. They know that if they tick off the billionaires then the campaign money will dry up.

So, yeah, the folks from the East, like Ronald Reagan, are just the people who screwed us up out here in California.

DEAD ON! Mojavean.

Not only did California's mess start with that Nutbag Reagan so did the entire countries problems.
Reich wing nutbag policies are the SOLE reason we are in this mess.

I lived in Southern California for 27 years from 1969 through 1996, prior to Reagan everything was fine, then the Reich wing extremist Christofacsit took over and has gone downhill ever since.

What party has been in power in Calif and for how long?
"Chairman Nunyabiz 1"

I have respect for Mojavean alto obviously we dont agree politically, I have none for you Nunya,,, if I want to read "Fiction", my Library is not that far away, and I'll read all about the great "contributions"
made by your "IlK"-----Drownings etc etc etc

Gary

I wonder what makes people say this sort of thing. I mean about respect for each other or lack thereof, and then to ridicule and name call- what does it have to do with the topic and who cares what someone thinks of someone else?

Dodge
LOL, You have mistaken me for someone whom cares what you think . LOL

The Reich wing has destroyed this country, anyone that cant see that is beyond reasoning with.

Alexr I agree.

I try not to attack anyone here personally even though I am jumped on rather frequently for some reason.
However I have no problem attacking a "political party" that is taking the country down with them.

Love the "Reich Wing" comments to which you obviously subcribe to. You, Being a of fan of BIG Leftest GOVT, obviously were enamoured with the "Nationalist Socialist Party" in Germany.

Yep, just like our greedy Calif Govt as well as the Feds, they collected huge taxes, Fees, (You name it) and then used the money in just a different way than has Calif.
They used the money to kill some of their own ppl, and wage war against the rest of the World.

I guess some of them called it a "Reich Govt" as they were enemies of the USSR and wouldnt want to be known as the same kind of Govt (Leftist-Socialist-etc) but of course they were the same type of Govt and actually with similar names.

I don't care if it's big business or big govt both are EXTREMELY Dangerous---history has shown us that!!!

Gary

I think my friend Gary (with whom I respectfully disagree) musta got a tender spot caught in a zipper or something after that outburst! Drownings?? Too much Desoto exhaust fumes?

As an aside, I would like to note that I find it amazing how successfully the newspeak/newthink jagoffs of Fox and AM radio have connived to convince credulous Republicans that simple good government of and for the people and not just for the political donor class is straight out of Chairman Mao's Little Red Book. Amazing.

To answer Gary's question, since Saint Ronald first took office in California, Republicans have occupied the Governorship for 31 years out of 45. Democrats have controlled the Assembly for all but a couple of brief, unhappy, periods of Republican majority. (The last time Republicans controlled the speakership of the Assembly, during Pete Wilson's terms, they could not even manage to elect a speaker due to factional warfare and party infighting.)

But here's the thing, Gary. Up until 2010 it required a 2/3 super-majority to pass a budget in the legislature. You can correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think the Democrats have EVER had that. So every budget has and does include some kind of Republican pork, tax breaks for billionaires, spending on stuff the California Chamber of Commerce wants (More highways, more development, cheaper labor, crappier schools.)

But I also want to add that while the Republican Party is GUARANTEED to do anything the billionaires want, the Democratic Party is often right onboard with a lot of the nonsense, too.

Hey Nunyabiz! In the words of the Fox nitwits! "Terrorist Fist Bump" my man! Power to the people! It is time to END the plutocracy!

I'm not a Republican, Mojavean. Many things we agree on, price fixing etc. I'm not a fan of Big Business or Big Govt.

One wonders why Powerful "Big Shots" in the Govt are any better than the Big Shots in business??--Need proof, watch the cmapaining that is beginning now.

I think the one function of govt that is "Legit" is enforcing competiton, but as we know, a few "Political Donations" here and there "Get's the job done for the Big Shots---whilst we, The Middle class, go without represenataion.

I don't know anything about the "Tea Party" but I must admit the name "Intrigues Me"!

Gary

Blaming Reagan--really? The governor from forty-five years ago?

You know, that darn Adlai Stevenson just ruined everything here in Illinois. Him and that Cuban bandleader fellow on the "tele-vision."

Let's get back to appliances, which are less tiresome.

I don't know about California but I certainly believe Reagan ruined the country with his tax cuts for the rich and trickle down economics and massive deregulation (wonder why our food supply is so tainted!). I'm always appalled when he's held up as an example of a great president - I think of him as one of the worst - of course now W holds that crown uncontested!

Ok...California isn't in the lead on this. New York is. There was litigation in the NY Courts that led to what is known as their "Amazon Law" that lets NY force Amazon to collect NY sales tax by virtue of NY based third-party sellers having partnership agreements with Amazon. VT, MA, RI, IL, CO, GA, CT and now CA have since filed legislation to mimic what NY did.

THIS DOESN'T mean the states can now compel remote sellers to collect their tax! It only applies where that seller has a partnership agreement with an in-state business pushing sales through their website.

THAT said, we all owe the USE TAX. It's the law. I find it interesting that many of the same folks who rail about Democrats trying to raise taxes (which happens to be factually inaccurate) don't seem to care about breaking the law, resulting in budget deficits that leave states short of operating revenue that lead to discussions of the need to raise taxes!

You can't complain about your kids getting a crappy education, the roads being bad, bridges failing, etc. if you don't pay the taxes you lawfully owe! That's as unpatriotic as you get.

I find it hard to understand how the masses on the right fall for the complete ruse that they will somehow benefit from the Gov't giving tax breaks to the uber-wealthy and to Corporations who are buying those tax breaks with lobbying dollars. It's been proven to be bull time and again. Oil companies are reaping record profits while enjoying ridiculous tax breaks and shifting the burden of the shortfall to the rest of us! PLUS, we now have the privilege of perpetuating their ownership of the U.S. Government by our paying them $5.00/gallon!

If you understand anything about investigative tactics in police work..."follow-the-money" almost always leads you back to the perpetrator. While there's plenty of blame to dole out on both sides of the aisle, it doesn't take a genius to figure out which major party is the prime offender. What can be said about this but wake up America!

What happened to government for the people, by the people? The Constitution says "people" not "corporations!"

As for the uncollected sales tax issue, there is an effort called the Streamlined Sales Tax Project aimed at encouraging Congress to lift the Supreme Court restrictions on requiring remote sellers to collect tax for the states in exchange for the states simplifying and making their laws more uniform so that it doesn't cost businesses so much to comply!

Unsurprisingly, the bill continues to stall due to opposition by the majority of Republicans who don't want to be "perceived" as levying new taxes even though the taxes are already legally due and are just being criminally ignored. Thankfully this year there is some Republican support. Rep. Senator Mike Enzi of WY is cosponsoring the bill this session with Senator Richard Durbin of IL.

Until REAL campaign finance reform is adopted and publicly funded political campaigns are MANDATORY and Corporate lobbying $ prohibited, this country will NOT be truly free.

"Fist Bump" Mojavean.

You are correct again, it is both amazing and sickening what Faux News and their ilk have done to this country.
Sadly at least 35% of the country falls for the lies hook line and sinker.

Reagan started this mess when he was president 30 years ago and the Christofacist "moral majority" took over the Rethuglican party.

I don't understand why, instead of placing blame, we're not talking about eliminating sales tax, which is regressive and places a disproportionate burden on the poor. If we had more consistent revenue streams that put less onus on vendors (though computer programs do help nowadays with some of the idiocies of the sales tax regime), and was easy for people to understand, and easier to enforce, we'd save an awful lot of wasted effort, have more predictable revenues, and wouldn't leave understanding, record keeping and calculating use tax to people who just want to buy with one click.

The reason there isn't stronger enforcement of use tax is that the powers that be recognize that doing so will likely stifle commerce and encourage the states doing the no tax selling will retaliate. Perhaps this NY model thing will change that...

Crazy things that tax schemes create: Frontage taxes lead to long, narrow houses (e.g., Holland, which also had the staircase tax which lead to ladder like accesses). Finished building tax in places like Greece lead to purposefully unfinished buildings, with eyesore ugly open, partial rooms, rebar sticking out, and overall appearance of ruins, with beautifully appointed finished living space hiding inside. Door taxes in various parts of the East and South lead to egress windows. At least those are good looking. When California put in a luxury tax on large yachts, among other things, it just killed the market for large yachts, putting boatwrigths, chandlers, and crew out of work, and not really impacting the owners. Instead of being tricky and finding new ways to nickel and dime people, why not just be honest about how much we have to pay, and let us pay it?

As usual You make the most sense of anybody here pillog!!!!!

Course I'm no contest and I let you be the judge of the others.

Gary