Dear Gardenwebbers, I haven't posted in a while but have been following every single word you have all typed-I've turning into a stove stalker ROFLOL! Of all the threads I've read over the past year regarding stoves, this is the only one whose posters have actually taken the time to break down the decision-making into the critical components. Not just reviews or opinion, but usage, wear, cost, BTUs, options,even the way the stove sticks out from the walls and integrates into the space. Well done!!You have no idea how helpful you've been! I still haven't made a decision, but I'm inching closer. Like a few of you, I took a step back and asked what I really needed/had to have. One of you rightly pointed out that deciding whether one is a stove top or oven cooker could help out. My ovens are super important to me, and have been the big sticking point in my choices (more on that in a minute) but I do most of my cooking on the stovetop.I REALLY want a coup de feu.If I pick the two burner one coup combination offered by Molteni or Gullo, I'll have to really up my cooking game and plan a bit more ahead (you have to allow the plaque to come to temperature to really use it effectively. So I was concerned I wouldn't have enough "regular" burners.But then, like you all advised, I took a step back and paid attention to what I was really doing "most" days-turns out I'm usually only turning on two burners anyway. When i move to more burners, that's when I could use a million more, so the coup definitely could work out then. I'm still kind of intimidated by it-the Molteni and the others I'm considering are very powerful, but I think that's just lack of self confidence. Burner strength/BTU's were very important to me as well. I currently have an old Wolf Gourmet line-they were better made than the current offering, heavier and more powerful.The max burner is 18K, but it loses power when the other ones are turned on, and then I can't get that nice carmelized sear on the food. I love the oven though. It's gas with a broiler and a (very noisy) convection fan, and sticky racks. Don't love the noise and the stick, but the size is pretty good, and it works well. All the units I'm considering are more powerful, but some more than others.Like everyone has noted, the ovens seem to be what pose the most dilemmas. I worry about cleanability. My current stove is a PITA to clean.The Rorgue has a neat water bath under the burners to rinse out spills-cool!It's also the least expensive of my three choices (So far. Am waiting on the cost of the UL listing fee, plus I have to add in taxes and VAT) but I can have every little gadget I had lusted for(of course, I'm now really rethinking everything). But it's the least pretty/french range looking of the batch. It does come in colors though. I'm nervous that if i select a range with two ovens that I won't be able to use them for what I occasionally need-larger sheets and pans, so I'm really leaning towards one gas oven in the range, and a Miele Masterchef 30" in the wall, which is 6" bigger than my current oven (I have a few pans that I really have to grease up the sides of the oven to squeeze in). I'm going to a Gaggenau cooking demo at Purcell-Murray this weekend and check out their ovens too. Anybody have some feedback on those? I'm also considering getting a smaller range and adding in two induction burners into the counter for quickie cooking for the kids (I have five). I could have had them built into a bespoke range, but the electric components have to be kept far away from a high heat source, which screwed up the size of the unit massively Our quotes from the contractors are coming-scary! I just wanted to thank everyone for all the input-every single comment has been so helpful. Oh, on a side note, there's a ROCKIN' Morice stove for sale that I found on the internet. It's not the right color for em (it's blue and silver) but maybe it would work out for you. It's got 3/4 burners (one is a single grate but with two burners under it-is that one or two?LOL) and a coup de feu. The oven is electric. I've (hopefully!) included the link. Parts are still available for the Morices. If it had been a different color, I would have jumped on it-great price. well, I'll be continuing to follow everybody's stove progress, and hope to have a stove too. Soon... Here is a link that might be useful: Sea Sales Morice cooker

If you find an oven that controls temperature to within 2 degrees, please let us know. Gaggenau possibly. Claims and reality in this regard appear to separate somewhere after installation.

Thanks for the response, Anthony, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh, but I would really like to see Baver get some help. Have you heard anything about a software update for these ovens?. Several folks have inquired about it on GW, and one would think a dealer would have a better chance of "Getting the Latest Scoop" than just one of us "Common Folks" (Just Kidding) but I think you get my drift? As I posted before, I am a very happy Miele DW owner. I started studying their ovens a number of years ago, as All I saw on GW were positive post about Miele ovens--- "it's pretty much in a class by itself and worth paying double for", etc etc.In fact, "To Me", Exceptionally Positive. Being as I'm a retired "Techie", Electronic Engineer, That got my curiosity up, and I started investigating a lot of sources for Miele Oven info, reviews, etc etc. I also compared 3 of them "in person", to a different oven. The other oven had glide out racks, huge window in door, Great big display I could read without glasses etc etc, (The Miele didn't at that time),so I just couldn't quite understand why the Miele was worth 2x the other oven. Anyway, now you know why my interest in the oven, and I like for folks to see both sides of the story. Hopefully those that bought will experience the same experience as your customers!!! Cheers Gary

Hi Jacob Hanson. I did contact my friend, turned out he had the cooktop, not the oven but he loved the cooktop. I took my chances and bought the oven/microwave/warming drawer combo. I love, love, love the performance. I love the look. I did not like the trim kit piece for the microwave. I think it looks okay in the picture, but it fits loosely thereby making it seem a bit "chintzy" if that makes any sense. Love everything about all 3 pcs though in terms of functionality, love that all the oven racks are telescoping. Have not had any trouble at all with the cleaning cycles. I don't use the Sabbath mode, however note that it does have it. The microwave is a bit less powerful than my previous model so had to get used to that but it's still fine (900W). Here is what I got: CMOS-24-SS DCS SS CONVECTION MICROWAVE OVEN CMOTTK-30-SS DCS SS 30" MICROWAVE TRIM KIT WOSV-30 DCS 30" SS SINGLE CONVECTION WALLOVEN WDV-30 DCS SS 30" WARMING DRAWER The trim piece and the warming drawer front were not great aesthetically, but they ordered another piece for me and it looks fine. If I were redoing another kitchen, I would get this appliance package again. Note, in case anyone cares - I also got a Thermodor 6-burner cooktop and no, I would not get that again. The problem may have to do with the fact that I had to get a propane conversion kit, but I really don't like it. One of the reasons I got this cooktop is that it has ultra low burner for delicate sauces etc. I only get high and medium high...again, I think it has to do with the propane but I'm unhappy enough that I would not give it another chance. If I didn't have access to natural gas, I would get an induction cooktop. If natural gas was available, then I start my research again.