Miele Oven/Speed Oven Combo v. DCS Double v. Capital Maestro

13 years ago

I am getting down to the wire -- appliance decisions are due tomorrow! I was leaning towards the DCS double oven, but my husband has always been intrigued by the speed oven concept but we are not keen on all the trouble we are hearing about the Advantium (which is the only one we originally knew about). So, we are impressed by what we are hearing about the Miele Speed Oven. However, I have found several complaints on this board about the temperature in the Miele regular ovens. I am wondering if these have been resolved? Also, we just heard about the Capital Maestro double oven (whose moisture assist sounds intriguing to me), but I can find hardly anything about these ovens online or elsewhere. If anyone has thoughts that could help guide us, we'd be most appreciative. Thanks SO much!

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dodge59

13 years ago

Hmmm, small batch of units?

Except for the posters in this thread, and Trail runner, as far As I can recall (Sorry if I missed any regular posters here), These are the ONLY
Miele ovens that are "working Flawlessly"

You can go many different places on the net and find complaints about the Miele ovens (Usually being off temp).
Have you folks measured yours yet?

Anthony , it would have been nice had you taken the time to measure the one in your store, for Baker, but I guess you would rather spout off about "Virtues" of the oven than help a fellow GW Member?????

Here is just one of the post from just one site, The Amateur Gourmet.

"I purchased a condo with 68 units and thus 68 new Miele ovens
and speed ovens. While not all have been tested,
the majority of owners are reporting undercooked results
and there is no field calibration available on the unit.
Oven temps have been reported as 50F lower than the display
across the temperature range.
So forget trying to think of a Miele oven as a
highly engineered oven with precise temperatures!

Posted by Stephen Buck : April 3, 2008 4:36 PM

Gary

Here is a link that might be useful: Some Miele Reviews

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appliance_b_guide
13 years ago
I can't speak of the Capital, although there are diehard fans on GW and they will be responding to this thread soon no doubt. I can attest that the Miele Speed Oven is a very good machine. I've had no issues with it and I use it all the time. I did a review on the unit here: Miele Speed Oven Review

It works flawlessly and has no issues like the Advantium (at least I, nor any of my customers have experienced them).

Hope that helps,

Anthony
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emmertae
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13 years ago
Thank you, Anthony. Your review is much appreciated. I don't think I have yet to hear anything negative about the speed oven. I think I'd be sold on the Miele Speed Oven coupled with a Master Chef Oven as long as I knew the latter was reliable. Do you have thoughts on the Miele Oven? Thanks!
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appliance_b_guide
13 years ago
I don't use the MasterChef oven at home myself, but I've used it before and I've had zero complaints from customers in regards to its function and heat. That may have been a very small batch of units. I had never even heard of the issue until your post.

Anthony
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diebold1
13 years ago
We had the Miele Speed Oven with a Master Chef Oven installed in December. They have worked flawlessly and would recommend them to anyone. Love the Speed Oven.
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emmertae
Original Author
13 years ago
Scottno: I am glad to hear that you have been happy with your ovens. Did you get the Master Chef feature only on your regular oven? We are having a hard time justifying the cost of getting both of them upgraded and thought we'd do the regular speed oven and the Master Chef regular oven. Do you have any regrets not doing both? Or, alternately, are you using the Master Chef features often (i.e., do you think they are worth it)? Thanks so much.
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chac_mool
13 years ago
My recollection is that the Advantium problems were limited to the 120v model(s), not their (larger, at 30") 240v models. Since the Miele Speed oven is also 240v, it seems odd to be comparing it to 120v Advantiuum models, which you should probably avoid in any case. I don't know anything about DCS or Capitol ovens.

Anthony's review does not mention that the Miele Speed Oven (H4082BM) now requires you to remove the metal rack when microwaving in solo mode; this rack can be left in for combination microwave modes, which use less MW power (10-40%). This is a change from the prior model (H4080) of Miele's Speed Oven, which did not have a lower heating element.

Also, Master Chef settings (i.e., the time to cook various dishes) can be a tad long, you'll find -- as if some lawyers tinkered with these timings after the chefs left the room, to minimize potential lawsuits or something. And I believe that the cheaper Chef version (without electronic controls), like the prior H4080 model, does not have a lower heating element.
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dodge59
13 years ago
Sorry "Baver", I called ya "Baker" but in our Hearts, We know ya wanna be the "Latter"!!(Baker)!

Gary
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appliance_b_guide
13 years ago
Gary,

I don't recall spouting off any "virtues" in my response here. I can only speak of my experience with using the Speed Oven almost every day. And my customer feedback from selling the MasterChef Full-Size electric oven. I've been selling them for years and I've seen no trends to suggest temp issues in the units. There are always tons of negative comments about different brands online, thats what the medium lends itself more to. However, I can only speak on my direct experiences.

Unfortunately, my MasterChef oven is not hooked up currently, as we are redoing the cabinets in that display. As soon as it is back up though, I will be sure to temp test it just to see.

Anthony
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dodge59
13 years ago
Thanks for the response, Anthony, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh, but I would really like to see Baver get some help.

Have you heard anything about a software update for these ovens?. Several folks have inquired about it on GW, and one would think a dealer would have a better chance of "Getting the Latest Scoop" than just one of us "Common Folks" (Just Kidding) but I think you get my drift?

As I posted before, I am a very happy Miele DW owner.

I started studying their ovens a number of years ago, as All I saw on GW were positive post about Miele ovens---
"it's pretty much in a class by itself and worth paying double for", etc etc.In fact, "To Me", Exceptionally Positive.

Being as I'm a retired "Techie", Electronic Engineer, That got my curiosity up, and I started investigating a lot of sources for Miele Oven info, reviews, etc etc.

I also compared 3 of them "in person", to a different oven.
The other oven had glide out racks, huge window in door, Great big display I could read without glasses etc etc, (The Miele didn't at that time),so I just couldn't quite understand why the Miele was worth 2x the other oven.

Anyway, now you know why my interest in the oven, and I like for folks to see both sides of the story. Hopefully those that bought will experience the same experience as your customers!!!

Cheers

Gary
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emmertae
Original Author
13 years ago
Thank you all for the advice. Anthony and Gary -- I have seen other responses from each of you on various topics on this site and I have found those helpful as well. Appreciate your always taking the time to give thoughtful responses.
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