Density is really only an issue, a big safety concern, with low-acid foods. High acid foods like fruits have their acidity as a safety edge. However you may well get some boil-over and subsequent seal failures because it was too thick. That happens often with things like applesauce and fruit pie fillings if they are too thick when jarred. Using more fruit means also using more liquids. So given your end amount it sounds like maybe you should have thinned it out a bit to get more like the 7 quarts called for in the recipe. But if the jars seal it will still be safe to eat. Dave

Good to hear from you Ken. I agree with everything he says. I use acsorbic acid as a pre dip and add it as Ken does sprinkled over the finished product as well, before I freeze. But since you already have Fruit Fresh (acsorbic mixed with citric acid) on hand, you can certainly use it as a pre dip to save the color. (Ascorbic acid works much better though). Mix with water according to the directions on the Fruit Fresh container for a pre treatment and slice the peaches right into it, doing only enough for one pie at a time so as not to let them soak too long in the dip. I also used to sprinkle more of the fruit fresh, when I used to use it, over the finished product before freezing as well. I use 6-7 cups of peeled, sliced, (red centers cut out)peaches per pie (same process for apples but I only use 6 cups apples per pie). If the peaches are ripe, you can just cut the peach into quarters, remove the pit, cut out the red inside, turn the quarter over so the skin side faces you, hold the quarter in one hand and with the other holding the knife, use the knife to grab the top of the peel as it faces you, on each quarter and pull the peel down and off. I never do the boiling thing except if the peaches are not ripe, but then I wouldn't can or freeze them anyway,but I might make jam with them. How many peaches is that? Depends on the size of the peaches... 1 pound = approx 4 medium (tennis ball size)= approx 2 cups sliced. So that would make it approx 12 medium peaches for 6-7 cups of sliced peaches for one pie, in a gallon size baggie for the freezer. My peaches just into the freezer, took 15 to 20 for 6-7 cups because they were so small and had portions cut out that were bruised. As for the clear jel, I'm still fussing with the amount. http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/how/can_02/can_pie/pie_fillings.html The recipes at the above link are for canned fillings. I use these recipes as a starting point and then freeze them. But the amount of Clear-Jel is excessive. I have printed some dialog from another post here with Carol & Linda Lou talking about the recipe for apple pie, filling: Carol- "Here's the link to the NCHFP recipe, which calls for 1 1/2 cups (Clear-Jel), but personally I'd cut it back to 1 cup or even less ClearJel unless you like your fillings really dense." Linda Lou- "I agree with Carol about the pie filling being too thick. When I helped teach the new gals at the extension office this spring I had them thin their pie filling down. No oozing out of the jars that way. Otherwise it does tend to rise up in the jars and ooze out, keeping them from sealing. The headspace when canning pie fillings is important. Corn starch should not be used for the pie fillings, only Clear Jel. Cornstarch will break down and get watery." Carol- "Another downside of those recipes. They're far more likely to boil over. I tend also to allow more a bit more headspace (3/4") for that reason. I really don't know what the extension agencies are thinking of, recommending so much thickening. I freeze ClearJel-thickened cherry pies (unbaked) and put them in the freezer with no problems whatsoever. I don't see any reason why you couldn't freeze the thickened filling. I have never experienced separation of ClearJel in the freezer. Those canned quarts are never sufficient for a pie, as far as I'm concerned. You basically have 3 cups of fruit and all that thickening. I generally use 5-6 cups of fruit per pie, so if I'm making two pies I'd use three quarts of canned fruit, only one of which would be thickened. The other two quarts would be drained of most juice and added to the thickened mixture." (me again Rebecca)- I do the peach pie filling in one of 2 ways to prepare for freezing: 1) I drain the peaches well from the dip. I put the peaches in a large bowl. I mix the Clear-Jel (I usually use about 1/4 cup per pie in 6-7 cups of sliced fruit) with a small amount of sugar, (amount of sugar can vary wildly according to the peaches and your tastes but I guess I usually start with 1/4 to 1/2 cup). I sprinkle another teaspoon or so of ascorbic acid (you= fruit fresh) over top, then I stir all very gently together with a large flat spoon or rubber spatula till sugar is dissolved, then pack into freezer gallon size baggies, press flat to remove air, seal and freeze flat until frozen, (then you can store any way you want). By the way, I really prefer the Glad freezer bags that don't use that pull zipper thing- it seems to catch on everyting in the freezer and punctures things.) Sometimes I put just the sugar over the peaches, stir gently and let sit covered for about 5-10 minutes. I can then taste the peaches to see if they need any more sweetening, or if they need a dash (1 to 3 TBS or so) of lemon juice to tart it up. I then also add my 1/8 tsp salt and seasonings, like cinnamon and/or fresh ground nutmeg and I taste again. (I do a lot of tasting, always with a clean spoon each time). The peaches will give up some juice, which I drain off into a bowl. I then add the Clear-Jel to this juice using a wisk- it can take a minute to get the juice and the Clear-Jel mixed well enough. Then I then add the juice and the Clear-Jel slurry back into the peaches/sugar/lemon juice/spices, add more fruit fresh at the last minute, mix gently and pack and freeze. 2) I lightly blanch/cook the peaches first... to dissolve the sugar, to incorporate the Clear-Jel and to pre-thicken the filling as well as to 'slump' the fruit before freezing and baking, which is the same exact process I use if I am making a pie to bake and not freeze. I do the same as #1, but I add only the suger to the sliced peaches and let them sit for about 10 minutes. Then I drain the juices off. I wisk the clear-jel well into the juices until mixed. I put the juices into a saucepan (large enough to later hold the peaches), and heat the juice on medium high stirring all the time until it just comes to a gentle boil. Then I add the lemon juice and simmer for about a minute, stirring constantly. Then I lower the heat to medium, add the peaches and simmer gently, always gently stirring, for about a minute or 2. Then I remove the peaches from the saucepan (I just put them back into the big metal bowl they sat in earlier, (I add the salt & spices anywhere along the line), where they sit, covered, until cool enough to pack, adding fruit fresh/ascorbic, and freeze. The benefit is that I can see how thick the filling is before freezing and like Ken said- if it's too thin you can make a slurry out of a small amount of water and more Clear-Jel, add to the peaches when they are still being heated, cook another minute or so and correct the thickness (too thick when cooler, like Ken said I just add some water). This summer I froze 2 unbaked peach pies, made 2 gallon bags of peach pie filling for another 2 pies and froze another 5 gallon and 4 Qt bags of plain peach slices (treated with ascorbic and packed with a light sugar syrup) that I use for peach crisp or cobbler, eating as is etc. Lastly I froze 3 QT size bags, treated with ascorbic but no sugar, (each holds 2 cups sliced peaches) that I will use to make no-sugar jam for my diabetic mother in law, in my breadmaker. Each 2 cups makes 2 half pints of jam. I have found that using 1 TBS Clear-Jel mixed in with the water, then the peaches in the breadmaker jam thickens the jam perfectly, much better than the full box of pectin the breadmaker suggested. I also mix in a tiny amount of Splenda at any point in the process if it's not sweet enough. If anyone reads this and if anyone knows- I purchased some "Therm-Flo" at an Amish type market nearby. It was next to the Clear-Jel. The Therm-Flo was marked 'canning/freezing', while the Clear-Jel was marked 'cooking'. No other directions on either. I'm getting confused with all the types that are out there. I know the link above says you must only use regular Clear-Jel for canning, NOT the instant or any other Clear Jel. But I've seen online canned pie fillings that call only for Instant. I believe Clear-Jel A is now the 'regular' Clear-Jel used in the pie fillings in the site link above. But what the heck is Therm-Flo? Is it the freezer Flo Ken refers to above? How is it used that is different than the 'regular' And what do you use the instant for? I have some of that too but don't know in what or how to use it either. Oh well....lilacs of may- enjoy having and preparing all those peaches, and don't worry. I've had soupy peach pies and dry peach pies and many perfect ones. We have loved each one regardless, hot out of the oven on a winter day, on a plate with a fork or in a bowl with cream and a spoon. It's all so good and worth the effort. Best of luck to you, Rebecca

Sally, I'm sorry your pie didn't turn out as planned, apples are funny things. Being fruit, they are wetter or drier, firmer or softer, sweeter or more sour, whatever. Climate and growing conditions and a myriad of factors determine that and no two years are the same and no one can control that. So, you may have done absolutely nothing differently and gotten a different pie. (sigh) It's the way of fruit. That said, I think whether it was a failure should be determined by taste and whether you had any leftover. If the guests left pie on their plates and didn't finish it, then I'd call it a failure. If they ate it all, enjoyed it, told you it was good, then it wasn't a failure, it was just not what you expected. Yeah. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. LOL. The only remedy, of course, is to make another pie, but leave out the hard cider and see how it turns out. Gotta use the same apples, though.... My apple pie recipe doesn't have any added liquid either, just sliced apples tossed with the flour, sugar and seasonings, dotted with butter and baked. And, like cilantro, I like the apples softer rather than more firm, so I'd probably have loved that pie! Annie

Every two years NAR (National Association of Realtors) publishes a report called Legal Scan. This report chronicles the most pressing legal issues facing Realtors. Property condition disclosure ranks as the #3 most disputed area in a transaction. #1 issue: Agency Disputes(Breach of Fiduciary Duty - which many times is related to non-disclosure of a property condition), Dual Agency, Buyer Representation Issues) #2 issue: RESPA (Kickbacks, Disclosure of Settlement Costs, Affiliated Business Arrangements #3. issue: Property condition disclosure - water intrusion ranks as the #1 problem area. Because water intrusion is so prevalent and damaging to the structure of a home, agents/brokers/home inspectors are usually trained to look for warning signs. These include a freshly painted basement, negative exterior grading, mold, smell, efflorescence (white residue), as well as as a host of other signs and symptoms. In theory and in practice, should any of these be present the Buyers agent has a duty to further pursue an explanation in order to protect their client. Obviously a home inspection is the first layer of defense. Secondly, the buyers agent should gather additional information from the sellers agent. In other words, ask questions. Jerzeygal explained that she had direct dialog with the seller - this is unusual. The agents (selling & listing) are generally involved and they bear witness, and usually document, the responses. This sure helps if things go wrong. It is important to understand how these situations are usually resolved. This is how they usually play out: Jerzeygal calls her agent and tells him/her about water in basement and what the neighbor said. Jerzeygal calls home inspector (if she had one)and explains the above. When he submitted his report he may have suggested, as logic said, a further evaluation. If he did, and jerzeygal didn't comply - he's off the hook. If he didn't, he will re-visit the site to determine if he missed something. This is obviously subjective. Logic is correct in that an inspection is a moment in time, but if there were conditions that could LEAD to water intrusion, they should have been mentioned in his report. Again, he has a higher standard than a lay person. Next the buyers agents should call the listing agent and say, "Hey, my client has a basement filled with water and according to a neighbor your client lied." In turn, the listing agent should pursue this with the seller. The two agents have a responsibility to investigate and it provides third party documentation. Many things can happen from this point forward, much of which is determined by the size & scope of defect and remediation - but the agent(s) should be involved. Agents live by referrals, they want their clients to be happy and they want disputes to "go away" quickly. Hopefully jerzeygal worked with a seasoned professional that will bring this to a satisfactory conclusion. marysl000 - it is faily well understood in the industry that sellers may have "selective amnesia" with regard to disclosure. A good listing agent will question the seller and really scrutinize the property because they don't want to be a party to any disputes. Buyers agents (good ones)usually have sufficient knowledge of property conditions and can identify potential problems and insist upon a home inspection. TRUST, but verify! Moral of the story - make sure the agent you work with knows what they're doing. Good thread with a lot of important info.