Thank you all. I have done some occasional stalking over on the Harvest forum, and you bet those folks know their stuff. Maybe I worded my search wrong, but couldn't seem to find the info I was looking for. (maybe because most people have enough sense to figure it out for themselves...) Thank you, Dave, for your words about Victorio. I bought it last year for dealing with blueberries, but it was an incredible help with my tomato harvest this year. It absolutely does leave the pulp. Last year (when I grew sauce tomatoes), I had lots and lots of sauce after I ran it through a wire strainer. I just didn't have enough sense to know what to do with it. This year, I did strain the first couple batches of tomatoes I ran through it, and the small amount of pulp that was in those beefsteaks made lovely sauce. Just not enough of it. What I especially liked was how quickly the pulp cooked down into sauce once it was strained out. After using this amazing gadget this year, I don't think there's much of anything that anyone could say to make me fall out of love with it. It's a huge labor and time saver! As a note, I discovered by accident, that if I filled the hopper with tomato pieces before I cranked them through and then emptied the bowl right into a hot pan, I had minimal separation of pulp and water in the jars. Re: Determinate Sauce tomato. I grow my vegetables organically, and honestly don't even like to spray organic concoctions. Add to that the fact that the entire county here seems to have Early Blight in the soil, plus the fact that our incredibly hot mid summer heat puts a stop to tomato production anyway, and I have decided that it really doesn't matter whether I grow determinates or indeterminates. I am still only going to get the first crop. I will try Opalka as an experiment. Sounds intriguing. But I am very grateful for the extra mention of Italia. All three recs are on my list to try.

As mentioned, the Villware is a very efficient machine and will make very short work of berries and their juices. The Chinois is used for very small jobs, and is just too labor intnsive to deal wth getting all the berries to release their juices. The older Foley that has teh crank on the top, isn't as aefficient in getting juices out either, s its paddle applies very little direct pressure on the fruits when its cranked. The Villware comes with a screen with holes that can handle tomatoes with ease. No cooking is needed and they can crank out a lot of tomatoes without skins and seeds. The desging is such that its a spiral auger that forces the juices out the holes and carries the seeds and waste out the end. I run that waste through a second time so it gets all the rest of the liquid. To do raspberries, you would need the finer holed 'berry screen'. I have had no problems making totally seedless red raspberry jam with this, and the later designs use twist on connical sieves and have a O ring seal on the cranking shaft. Mine has a motor unit too, so when I do tomatoes, a bushel can be done in just few minutes. The very old models of these food mills have wing nuts on the body that hold the sieves on, and some older ones sometimes have moving shafts that tend to leak. My old one did that, but the newer one doesn't leak a bit.

There's a procedure at this website where she takes the milled sauce and lets it separate in the fridge for a day or two to get a thicker sauce. It works! http://www.barbarapleasant.com/canningtomatosauce.html I have a love hate relationship with my Victorio. Such a mess, but it does such a good job on tomatoes and apples. You know, those nylon scrubbie things do a great job of cleaning the blade. Here is a link that might be useful: tomato sauce interrupted

No, not a 'juicer'. If you want juice, you need a juicer. That is an improvement having a stainless strainer for tomatoes and cooked apples for applesauce. Think 'babyfood' and tomato 'sauce'. Your thinking is sensible but it will not give you clean liquid juice. Seems like alot of work to try and get juice from a few different appliances. You could experiment with your ninja to make healthy smoothies, some frozen fruits,(banana, blueberries) add a few greens like kale/spinach, frozen cherry tomatoes, a bit of plain greek yogurt. A good juicer is the Breville all stainless. I got mine on Ebay, lightly used, half the retail price. (a single guy that just did not want to bother with the shopping and cleaning) I used an Acme juicer for years, just a bit of a mess to clean but not that bad. I like Carrot, beet, celery, ginger, apple,sometimes kale if i have it. I do not like a 'chewy' juice, so a juicer is necessary. A better quality blender is needed for really smooth 'smoothies' like a Vitamix or Blendtec. They will not extract 'juice'.