Roselovers-Who are your hot weather superstars?

14 years ago

Hello All! I was admiring the garden this morning and noticed that some of my roses are going "above and beyond" in the blooming department despite the 90 degree weather and frequent rain showers. Who are your champions in the blooming and general overall health department? Mine are -

Vincent Godsif - Healthy plant, lots of clean foliage and HOT pink blooms.

Old Blush - While the blooms are smaller this time of year, it is covered with pale pink blooms and not a speck of BS.

The Fairy - While I have a love/hate relationship with this rose due to it's wicked thorns, I do have to love it for it's sprays of blooms and shiny foliage.

The Gift - Again, wicked thorns, but it's sprays of white blooms scent the entire yard!

So who are your champs? I have 3 roses I am going to replace this winter so enable me!

nova

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thonotorose
14 years ago
Susan,

I don't have time right now to answer this in depth, but I am VERY curious as to why you are eliminating the three and which ones they are.

Veronica
nova_gw
Original Author
14 years ago
Veronica- I expect a lot from my roses because of limited full sun areas in my yard. Poor performers are replaced cold heartedly usually after 3 summers. So far I have replaced Bengal Tiger, Flutterbye, and Livin' Easy. The last two were the only grafted roses I grew and they never really did anything but put out a sickly bloom now and again. Bengal Tiger was own root and I tried for years to get it to thrive. (It was a gift from a friend I really admired so it got plenty of second chances) On the chopping block this year is -
Frederic Mistral - Beautiful blooms and lovely scent but not a healthy plant. BS magnet and if not defoliated sickly foliage.
Dortman - One cane wonder no matter what I do. If it does send out new canes they seem to die off for no reason. Also has terminal bud die off for no reason. Cameron Bohls is a good substitute for it and is much healthier plant.
Celine Forestier - I love this rose and may replace it in the hopes that I just didn't get a healthy plant. It did well in it's first year but has declined ever since. Currently it is doing the one caned wonder thing despite being surrounded by two other roses [Natchitoches Noisette and The Gift] that are both thriving.

I have to ask - Do you grow Climbing Cramoisi Superieur? I have a young plant [1 year old] that is doing well but continually balls. Is this something it will outgrow? If not it may be on the cutting list for next year!

nova
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goldenpond
14 years ago
My Disney roses ROCK!!!I have 9 beneath a weeping pink hibiscus tree and the colors just lift my spirit!
My double knockout are coming along.Two Teasing Georgias more susceptable to black spot but big soft yellow blooms are a treat.
thonotorose
14 years ago
Finally able to reply. (I had a deadline!)

Yes, I have Cl CS. It has balled. It has a new flush, but they seem to be crisping from the heat. I have little sun, also, and rotten ground so this one is in a med large clay pot. I plan to transfer it to either a larger pot that is less likely to transpire the water or plant it in a large PT wood planter with an open bottom. I am going to try that and then make my decision about keeping it.

What is working well for me, in no particular order is:

Maggie, a stunner and she has clambered through Cramoisi's arbor and is putting that one to shame.

Always, always the Duchesse. and now her sport Madame Joseph Schwartz.

Natchitoches is continual since being planted less then five weeks ago. I would say the same for Blush Noisette and their bed mate Archduke Charles.

The best grafted is Julia Child, a blooming machine.

Blanche LaFitte is very good and well scented.

Buff Beauty has been slow to get going and is in quite a bit of shade. The scent is exquisite. Much like Double Delight or Angel Face to me. Highly recommended. Finally taking off...

Lastly, I would like to mention Jeri Jennings. Same family as Buff Beauty and Prosperity. A lovely yellow with great scent and presently with 10+ highly scented blooms on a band that arrived about five weeks ago.

These are the more mature ones that are presently blooming well. Many of the others are putting out rampant growth and whispering big promises to me.

The one that is on the top of my must have list is Souvenir de la Malmaison, grafted on fortuniana from Cool Roses. Will be purchasing this week.

Here is a link that might be useful: Jeri Jennings
Theresa24 (NeFL9a)
14 years ago
Off the top of my head, I would say Caldwell Pink. This is a non-stop bloomer that has never had BS. Also, it has a deep enough pink color to hold it's own in the bright sunlight of summer. The blooms in this are smaller but occur in large sprays. I have about thirty different roses and this is one of my favorites.

Thanks for posting this question. I will be interested to see what everyone says.

Theresa
naplesgardener
14 years ago
I love hearing about which roses are doing well for others.
thanks for taking the time to reply to nova's post.

nova
thanks for naming names on good/"bad" roses. maybe save me some money, time, heartache.

thonoto
jeri jennings is a beauty! I LOVE yellow roses especially fragrant ones and they seem to be rare. of course it said "out of stock" which is good for my budget (not for my dreams).
I also am on the hunt for fort. stock OGR roses. also in short supply :-(

Most of my roses are very small and this heat has them crawling along BUT the OGR's are all healthy which makes me happy. The hybrids are less good looking but they are in pots because the heirloom roses get first pick on the in-ground spots available.

The two older (meaning 1 year owned) roses I have are doing great: Carnation and Belinda's Dream. Belinda looks like a hybrid tea with a wonderful smell and larger blooms, several to a branch.

Carnation is so reliable, continually has several blooms with a spicy tea scent just like a carnation in smell and texture.

Monsieur Tillier is very young but this is my favorite color combination, pink and yellow together. I'd have to lay flat on the ground to see if I liked his smell so I'm going to wait til he gets taller. I also have Clementina Carbonieri of similar color but didn't get a good photo of her bloom. Tillier has bloomed more.

Belinda's Dream
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Carnation OGR
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Safrano
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Monsieur Tillier
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Souvenir de la Malmaison
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Oh I forgot to take a picture but Louis Phillipe is blooming his head off. Purchased at USF in June. Wicked thorns, good blooms.

Denise
naplesgardener
14 years ago
goldenpond
I just did a "google" for Disney rose and WOW. That color (apricot and pink??) is my kind of rose. Even tho I am an heirloom rose convert I would love to get my hands on that rose.
I see that Jackson and Perkins has it on fortuniana stock, now I have to track one down. I see that Orban's in Bradenton carries it (they are wholesale I think) so I have to find one from a local nursery.
Can you post any photos of yours??

Denise
thonotorose
14 years ago
Great pics, Denise.

I would love to see a pic of all those Disneys, too. That must be something. The first time I saw a pic of that rose was at the Rose Forum. The plant was at the base of a low wall upon which the gardener had placed a large blue urn. Magnificent!

Here is a link that might be useful: Probably the best rose shot I have ever seen.
Tom
14 years ago
After playing around with a lot of roses over the last ten years or so pretty much all of my roses do pretty well in the summer months. I've gotten rid of some great roses that just did not do well in the heat.

The two that I really hated digging up the most were Mr. Lincoln and Angel Face. Mr. Lincoln grew to about ten feet in the summer and produced blooms the size of half-dollar coins--which blew in a day or two. Angel Face never did thrive and just gradually declined until I ended its misery. I also dug up two or three Belinda's Dream. I had them with my OGRs and they needed more water and some spraying.

The Hybrid Teas that I have all do well, but I spray weekly. The two best red roses are Veteran's Honor and Chrysler Imperial. Veteran's Honor is the prettiest and biggest red rose that I have ever had. It isn't as fragrant as others, but it is big and beautiful. Others that are currently blooming and doing well are The McCartney rose, Tiffany, St. Patrick, Grenada, Jude the Obscure, Bella Roma, Secret and Molineaux. I'm forgetting a few others, including my favorite white/yellow rose and my only purple/mauve rose.

Lemon Spice does alright as does Valencia, but they aren't blooming very well now. Oh, Fragrant Cloud does okay also, but it is still recovering from last year's attack of Chili thrips.
nova_gw
Original Author
14 years ago
Plenty of food for thought here as far as "replacements" for my non-performers. I HAVE to have another Duchesse, grew her before can't wait to find another.

I love the look of the Disney but am not sure if I want to make the plunge into grafted roses again. I promised myself in my new garden I would only grow antique own-root, non-spray roses but Disney is a BIG temptation. Not that I think there is anything wrong with roses that don't fall into my narrow category but I want to specialize in something!

I actually started out with the idea of only growing "Bermuda Mystery" roses but have branched out from there since there are just too many others that deserve garden space. Besides if you are not careful you end up with only white or pink roses in your garden.

Thanks for your thoughts and ideas and will be researching more about some of your "champs".

nova
naplesgardener
14 years ago
nova

I have the same feelings as you about wanting own-root heirloom roses and have been adding them as fast as budget allows HOWEVER....reading about own-root roses in Florida has me convinced that for longevity they should be grafted onto fortuniana stock (itself an heirloom rose).

Malcolm Manners at Florida Southern College has written articles to this effect. Namely that 15 years is the most you can get from own-root heirlooms. (maybe 15 years is more than enough time, lol)

It would be fun to learn how to graft own-root heirlooms onto Fortuniana because heirlooms really are SO much better than hybrids in Florida, less disease etc. It's very hard to find nurseries offering grafted heirlooms (coolroses in West Palm Beach is one mentioned by thonotorose.

I don't spray any of my plants, that's why I prefer heirlooms but I am always susceptible to a pretty rose face even a hybrid :-)

Denise
rstanny
14 years ago
Old Blush is looking good though the flowers don't last all that long. Young Climbing Cramoisi has nice, clean foliage but no flowers whatsoever. (That's ok; foliage is good.) I've owned this rose before and have had it ball in hot, wet weather. Cost of doing a business. Slater's Crimson China is recovering from a bout of defoliation. This is usually my best China.

Tiffany on Fortuniana has some black spot but is so vigorous it doesn't seem to matter much. Flowers are coming fairly continuously although they're not as attractive in the heat as in cool weather. Nevertheless, the plant is already throwing canes up over the garage eaves and should be impressive come fall if it doesn't get torn up by a hurricane. This is my first and only rose on Fortuniana and it's by far the best rose I've owned. I've had it eight or nine years and it just keeps getting better.
amberroses
14 years ago
All of mine seem to take the heat well. I will single out for special mention, Belinda's Dream and Louis Phillip. I have not been kind to Belinda. I put her in full sun western exposure. You all being from Florida know that that is like sticking her in an oven on 450 degrees from 12-7pm, and yet she lives! And blooms! Louis Phillip is on his own roots and has been slow to establish, BUT NEVER GETS BLACKSPOT.....EVER! I don't spray him with anything and this must be stated again, HE NEVER GETS ANY BLACKSPOT, EVER! Even my knockouts get blackspot occasionally.
greenacresgirl
14 years ago
Don Juan. Don Juan, and Don Juan! Yes I do have 3 of them, but I seriously cannot say enough good about this climber!

A pleasant surprise has been Lady Elsie May. It actually looks like the type of full bush you only expect to see up North.

Michelle
teka2rjleffel
14 years ago
Denise, I just learned of an old rose nursery in the Naples area. Are you familiar with it?
My superstars are Mary Magdeline, own root (Austin). She is blooming 365 days a year and never lets thrips bother her. Julia Child (on fortuniana) is non-stop. LD Braithwaite and Sophy's Rose never stop (both Austins on fortuniana.)
I'm starting to move away from some of the modern roses. The thrips have me down. The stuff that works is so expensive and so toxic I'm not sure that it's worth it. It seems that some of the older varieties do better with them. My current interest are roses that can handle some shade and are thornless. I've just gotten Cecile Brunner (ebay) and Clothilde Soupert (Countryside roses). They just arrived so it's too soon to tell. I'd love to discuss swapping some cuttings with other Florida Rose growers.
Nancy
naplesgardener
14 years ago
Nancy
I heard about the Naples rose nursery after I moved-lol.
Their physical address is WAY south of Naples--south of the Marco Is. turnoff in fact. Closer to SusieQ in Chokoloskee.

I got Clothilde Soup., Safrano and Souv dela Malmaison from a Fla seller on ebay called emeraldgoddess, all growing well, nice prices ($6).

I'd like to swap also. I have a couple extras. Where are you located?
teka2rjleffel
14 years ago
I am in SE Florida, Delray. But it is easy to send cuttings in the mail. I also have SDLM. I'll check out that ebay store, thanks for the tip. I'm always up for a bargain, or not, depending on how much I need it (yeah right). I just ordered Alfred Colomb, a hybrid perpetual from High Country Roses in Utah. $16 rose, $16 shipping, ouch. But it was a nice big plant and I hope it does well. If anyone else is interested I can post a list of what roses that I have. If not I can send them to you Denise.
Nancy
junkyardgirl
14 years ago
I gave up on roses years ago when even my Louis Phillippe died, but my neighbor has some knockout roses that are awesome!

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