Carpinus caroliniana is not a "glamor" tree, so many nurseries don't stock it. Blooms are insignificant, I don't think any have been bred for their sometimes gorgeous fall colors. They don't grow fast, and the world is into instant. Tonight I heard a program talking about trees that fall onto houses, power lines, etc. They spoke to a tree expert from NH who specifically mentioned C.caroliniana as a desirable tree to plant. And I had to love her when she mentioned avoiding fast growing trees that provide instant gratification and fall when the wind blows. She was also decidedly cool to conifers, mentioning White Pine as brittle and prone to breakage. Another point was that any tree within 15 ft of a house was too close.

2009 Cemetery of Pecs, Hungary Introduction to the Organic (Urban) Conifering 2 Meanwhile editing the Conifer Treasury 3.0 in 2009, I found more and more datas about finding new conifer selections in american cemeteries. A really strange idea, why are breeders disturbing the peace there? After a while I separated some cemetery finds with photos. Breeders found there brooms and compact growing conifers. That time I lived in a conifer photo fog of 12000 collected pieces. I told myself, this is a good opportunity to recognize any different conifers, and tried the teoretic skills in the practice. The Christmas day in 2009 was very good in Pecs, Hungary, where they have a 150 acre cemetery, full of aged conifers. Most of them were planted by family members, mainly of seed. Very few nursery matter was recognizeble there. In this sense the cemetery area works like a wild forest. In two hours I found more than 30 coloured sports, compact or giant habit trees, giant dwarfs and any mixtures of these. After a while it was clear, the finds are much more as with the usual practice available selections. The old plants were shown not usual habit, they are impossible to select in seedbeds or by any usual selecting methods. In many cases after 20-40 years take forms their sightly real outlook. I think this was a turning point in the new concept: I have to examine aged plants, and select among them by habit, colour, form, which are important in the recognizing. I was speaking about my finding with Hodi Toth, Jozsef, Father of the Semidesert Conifering. Finally we started to discover the eastern suburbs of Budapest, Hungary. We found week to week incredible quantities of never seen aged plants. I also informed Nate Cassell and Dax Herbst about the new situation. Nate made an experimental discovery in Colorado to give me a control about my ideas. He found some incredible old beauties in cemeteries and in the neighbouring forests with his �new eye". Having seen his shots, it was clear for me, that the Organic Conifering is born, and works. In 2011 I tried to describe the substance of the Organic Conifering. I asked about my friend Dax, who informed me. �Good start on the text and photos of Urban Conifering 1. Randy (Dykstra) and Chub (Harper) - (also Dave Horst / Charlie Hunter) all were friends and as natural broom & conifer hunting started in Cemeteries. While visiting Randy Dykstra in Iowa this summer, late summer he told me that Chub and he went to every cemetery on a map for years and years until they visited them all. Of course this was Iowa and Illinois mainly. How they did the mapping was as this. They called the city (mayor office) and asked for city maps which included all the cemeteries within a city. Then they would go to the city and visit the cemetery. So yes they planned." Some weeks ago Dennis Hermsen informed me, that he also found a nice Colorado fir broom in a cemetery. I guess that the grounds of the Organic Conifering has been started about the 80�s in american cemeteries in a planned way, I followed them in 2009 with the test of the cemetery of Pecs, Hungary, and finally we turned to the examinations and selections of aged plants. We have a very characteristic series of aged Picea pungens seedlings, which start to turn down after 15-25 years, and later form a columnar habit � meanwhile pendulous. I invite you all to an introduction journey to the Organic Conifering. Feel free to join with unusual finds! Zsolt conifertreasury.org ** Abies pinsapo MPH Janus Pannonius Silvery giant dwarf globe Abies pinsapo MPH Janus Pannonius conifertreasury.org photo Abies pinsapo MPH Tudor A compact dwarf type deep green plant, 3 meters in 40 years. Abies pinsapo �MPH Tudor� conifertreasury.org photo Abies concolor MPH Hordo conifertreasury.org photo A dense upright blue dick clon, grows as usual Abies concolor MPH Hordo conifertreasury.org photo Calocedrus decurrens MPH Aranyos Citromle A goldi-lemon sport, grows as usual Calocedrus decurrens MPH Aranyos Citromle conifertreasury.org photo Cedrus libani MPH Szent Erzsebet conifertreasury.org photo Bright goldhaired princess in winter. Cedrus libani MPH Szent Erzsebet conifertreasury.org photo Cedrus libani MPH Szent Laszlo conifertreasury.org photo A compactous dense cedar in bright silvery shine, just like a hero king. Cedrus libani MPH Szent Laszlo conifertreasury.org photo Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Ezusthaju Nagyanyo A dense, broad silvery clon, grows slowly Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Ezusthaju Nagyanyo conifertreasury.org photo Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Kincsestar Bright gold winter gold sport, grows as usual Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Kincsestar conifertreasury.org photo Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Malom Great conical habit, grey-silvery sport of an old Chamaecyparis lawsoniana Triomp van Boskoop Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Malom conifertreasury.org photo Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Misina Gold-tipped green semidwarf selection for small gardens. 3 meters in 30 years. Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Misina conifertreasury.org photo Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Misina conifertreasury.org photo Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Thokoly Blue column with lemonade on the tops, looks like bicolor Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Thokoly conifertreasury.org photo Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Zsolnay Eozin An intensive greeny-lemonade sport of a young Chamaecyparis lawsoniana �Columnaris Glauca�, grows to a conical column. Chamaecyparis lawsoniana MPH Zsolnay Eozin conifertreasury.org photo Cupressocyparis leylandii x MPH Aranka Bright gold wintergold sports, grows as usual Cupressocyparis leylandii x MPH Aranka conifertreasury.org photo Cupressus arizonica MPH Bajuszkiraly An irregular upright bluish plant, picturesque habit Cupressus arizonica MPH Bajuszkiraly conifertreasury.org photo Cupressus arizonica MPH Kekszakal A narrow, dense blue sport, grows slowly Cupressus arizonica MPH Kekszakal conifertreasury.org photo Cupressus sempervirens MPH Orseg A very narrow, dense darkgreen seedling, grows slowly Cupressus sempervirens MPH Orseg conifertreasury.org photo Juniperus chinensis MPH Citromparna A juvenile goldie-lemon sport on a Juniperus chinensis Pfitzeriana with nice fresh colour. Found in a Budapest cemetery, Hungary Juniperus chinensis �MPH Citromparna� conifertreasury.org photo Juniperus chinensis MPH Aranyoska & MPH Meregzold Juniperus chinensis MPH Aranyoska & MPH Meregzold conifertreasury.org photo Juniperus sabina MPH Mecseki Citromle Bright gold also in winter, grows as usual Juniperus sabina MPH Mecseki Citromle conifertreasury.org photo Picea abies MPH Kiskaracsony A compact green semidwarf, a nice garden Christmas tree. Picea abies MPH Kiskaracsony conifertreasury.org photo Picea pungens MPH Bujtor Pici Broad, bright blue big spruce, needs place. Picea pungens MPH Bujtor Pici conifertreasury.org photo Picea pungens MPH Kekfesto We thought earlier, nothing could be so blue, like this tree. Picea pungens MPH Kekfesto conifertreasury.org photo Picea pungens MPH Kiskegyed A blue dwarf conical giant. 2 meters in 30 years. Picea pungens MPH Kiskegyed conifertreasury.org photo Pinus nigra MPH Duci & MPH Vastag Slow growing dark green broad column, with some stomack Pinus nigra MPH Duci & MPH Vastag conifertreasury.org photo Platycladus orientalis MPH Hungaria A mushroom-like dwarf green eastern arborvitae Platycladus orientalis MPH Hungaria conifertreasury.org photo Platycladus orientalis MPH Mirandolina Bright bronze gold also in winter, a dense dwarf Platycladus orientalis MPH Mirandolina conifertreasury.org photo Platycladus orientalis MPH Rezes Early copper-bronze coloured conical selection, wild found in a Budapest cemetery, Hungary. Platycladus orientalis MPH Rezes conifertreasury.org photo Thuja occidentalis MPH Citromsalata Creamy bright winter colour leaved columnar type, sport of a Thuja occidentalis Smaragd. Thuja occidentalis MPH Citromsalata conifertreasury.org photo Thuja occidentalis MPH Pepi Medium size green-blueish column Thuja occidentalis MPH Pepi conifertreasury.org photo Thuja plicata MPH Kormoci Arany Bright gold also in winter, grows as usual Thuja plicata MPH Kormoci Arany conifertreasury.org photo Thuja plicata MPH Mezes Medium gold sport also in winter, grows slowly, 2 m in 10 years Thuja plicata MPH Mezes conifertreasury.org photo

Hey there everyone. Thanks for the replies! Ken: Well I was mostly just trying to help them get answers to their questions. I know for me personally I'd start a new thread for a question like that as opposed to burying in an old thread. As for loving them too much, well, I definitely am not one to do that! haha. as it is I have been doing Miracle Grow as I said, normal strength, once to at most twice per growing season. Usually just as the buds fully open, then once in mid summer. I do it about 1/2 strength. As you can see the results . I may water once or twice to the point of water coming out of the bottom, but then again it is a very porous mix that I'm using too so even that is not alot of water. I don't wanter a whole lot honestly. If there is reasonable rain I cut the watering way back. I check them about once a week or so and if they are DRY 2" or so down into the mix then ill do a watering. The main reason I even asked about ferts was mainly to gather thoughts on using a conifer specific type of fert as opposed to the general, all plant nature of MG. I suppose though that sticking with what has worked is my best bet. Will: Thank you! I've always admired how great yours look in containers as well. It's shown me that it can be done and done well and that's what I'm going for. I 'm going to upgrade a few others as well. Most have (or had) been in their new homes for 3 years now. While some were probably fine I like to err on the side of giving more room than not having enough. I think that is how I killed the horstmann blue dwarf, by NOT upgrading it fast enough. (ive killed a few others as well from not enough attention to the containers.) Granted it was a larger plant though. The Picea Omorika 'Bruns' was at its limit. One more growing season in that pot and I likely would not have been able to get it out of the ground (the roots were well into the ground through the bottom of the pot) and / or it would have died from not enough space / dessication. This upgrade for that one should last 3-4 years, and may be its last upgrade before needing to go into the ground. The P. Mugo Fastigiata are getting separated into their own containers to give them a bit more room. However nothing near as large of a change as what I did for the P. Omorika. They are much smaller plants in general and I think have adapted to more cramped spaces among rocks high in the mountains. I also think that the P. Sylvestris 'Gold Coin' ( if it makes it through it s scale infestation which is fairly bad) and the P. Strobus 'Elf' will likely be fine for another few years in their new homes as they have PLENTY of room and are not exactly fast growers. Josh: Yea I think I am going to keep doing what I have been since my results have been great to this point. As I said I was just looking for opinions on possibly using a conifer specific fert to maybe boost / enhance them a little bit. But hey, if it aint broke don't fix it right? Thanks again all! As always I'd love to see more photos of container conifers!

Recently dtd and I visited the Massachusetts Horticultural headquarters at Elm Bank Reservation during the one year anniversary celebration of the "Bressingham garden." The installation of this perennial demonstration garden was one of the largest installations (1.01 acres) accomplished in one day with the help of countless volunteers. The purpose of this garden is to display to the New England community varying plants that could work well in the typically small residential garden. Our visit to Elm Bank was a first for me so my expectations of a perennial garden designed by Adrian Bloom I fully expected to have been limited to perennials with a few annuals filling in some holes, regardless of Mr. Blooms notoriety in the world of conifers. I was however pleasantly surprised to see what I would consider a mixed border with many conifers, and deciduous shrubs, now that I am thinking back I dont recall seeing many evergreen shrubs(perhaps if anyone else remembers they can let us know). Immediately we noticed a different use of low growing plants in the garden, rather than limited to edging between the front of the garden and the path, or encircled around the conifers, low growing plants were used for different purposes and in ways far more creative than I have ever seen. Adrian Blooms affection for Geranium Rozanne was very apparent and might even surpass arbo_retums passion for this flower, but of course this is just one of over one hundred plants he has introduced that are still being sold world wide (Achillea Moonshine , Crocosmia Lucifer, and Astilbe Sprite, ect). Bloom used G Rozanne to tie together the entire 1.01 acre garden by using this plant to create what he called rivers to flow in and around one bed twisting, turning, and spilling into the next. The Elm Bank garden is not the only garden that he has used G. Rozanne to create a river Adrian also completed a garden with a 130 ft run of G . Rozanne in Bad Zwischenahn, Germany. The effect even after just one year of growth caused the visitors eye to follow the river of Rozanne throughout each section of the garden. This path of low growing plants flowing through taller perennials, conifers, and grasses creatively permitted the visitor to appreciate the deep and rolling garden beds much in the same way a garden path cutting through a bed would open the vista. This technique of using low growing plants to open up vistas within the garden bed is certainly a creative way to allow conifers the elbow room (even if only on one side) they might need to shine. Would you consider planting a river in your garden? Sorry about the lousy camera/phone photo but take my word for it "Adrian Bloom" is adorable After one year of growth the garden is beginning to shine I was too busy guzzling down the free wine to snap many photos and unfortunately this section on the garden suffered from irrigation problems but if you take note dry or not the river of G.Rozanne survived and really thrived elsewhere under irrigation.