Marciaz3,

Just my opinion but I'd give Kelsey a bit more time maybe 3 weeks even. My Kelsey is usually one of the slower ones to green up and is just now starting to get leaves... The couple times it has had to grow from the ground it has always taken a while to show signs of life.

I'd give up on the Sunrise... I've tried to get that Morden to grow now twice and I've had nothing but bad luck with it. The first year I thought it was just the infestation of the rose slugs(that came with it from the garden centre). It came back from the ground the next spring only to die the next winter (and I protected it and it still died). The second attempt just died after one summer even though it had near perfect conditions and good soil. My opinion (and I'm no rose expert)is that this is a very picky rose and one that perhaps the people of Morden lab's should have spent more time on.

I have a hate on for the Morden Sunrise now and I won't ever buy another one.

On a more positive note my Alexander MacKenzie, Henry Hudson, Morden Fireglow are growing like mad already and even Kelsey is just starting to show signs of life again.

- Andrew

Well I already pulled two of mine out and replaced with one. The others in the same area were showing growth either normal or from the bottom...these two weren't.

I moved 3 roses from the back to the front...cut them back and they are all showing signs of new growth already...

Sierra

Andrew, Miss Sunrise was my absolute favourite because she was so pretty. Plus, my grandson helped me plant her about four years ago. I had to move her last summer and even though she sulked for awhile, she seemed okay once she settled in. I probably will get another one if she's really dead.

Thanks for the advice about Henry, though. I'll give him more time before i yank him out. Actually, i hope i don't have to yank him out because he bites!

I hear you Marciaz... Our Sunrise was planted by and for my youngest son :(

In the end he and I came to an agreement that he would get another rose after trying Sunrise twice.

We went to the garden centre last weekend and he changed his mind and picked out two plants instead a Barberis and some Speedwell.

- Andrew

Which ones did you lose, Sierra?

It has been a cool spring here so I am a little hesitant to remove my only pending loss- Rose de Rescht. But I have a new plant that is begging to be put in it's spot.
I think when I do dig it up, it will be potted if all the dirt stays put. With hopes of a return.
My Morden Sunrise (And I have 3) usually dies down to the ground or close. It's canes are not as hardy as some of the other roses from this series. But one this year in my front yard has about 16" of cane left. I do not understand why, because this area is an unprotected area that the winter winds like to whip through.
All of my other roses are putting out green leaves. A yellow one that has shown good winter survival is Topaz.
How deep are you planting the Morden Sunrise bushes? All of mine are planted 6" deeper than the pot.

Shelley

Marcia, is there any green cane showing on any of those roses? I'm in the same boat with Scentimental, but it still does have maybe an inch of green cane right at the base. But, I am going to town tomorrow, and I'm thinking I'll pick up a replacement rose just in case Scentimental doesn't come back. I'm no expert with Morden Sunrise, because it's only been one winter for mine, but it's coming back quite nicely right now. I did protect it for the winter, and it had a ton of snow cover, but, then Scentimental was in the same bed, so go figure?

Shelley, my Morden Sunrise was probably planted at the level it was at in the container it came in. So, it should be planted deeper, i take it. I wonder about Henry. Maybe he should have been as well. It's good to hear about Topaz because that's one that i have on order.

Laurie, there's nothing green at all on Henry. Miss Sunrise had some green on one cane, but i'm not sure if it's still green. I'll check this evening.

I've ordered two more roses from Hortico (with my gift certificate) - Delicata (because i wanted something different) and Hawkeye Belle (because everyone here raves about it). :)

Marcia, I hope you have great success with Hawkeye Belle. She's beautiful! Do remember to plant her graft 6" deep too. That very well could be why Morden Sunrise didn't make it for you. My mom had 2 years of wonderful success with a Bonica, until one really cold winter, and it was wiped out. Later, I found out that the graft had been planted just above ground level. It's amazing that it even survived 2 winters. She's replaced it since, and has really buried the graft, so hopefully it'll be a lot longer lived this time around.

I'm still waiting on my Morden Sunrise too. It has about 2" of green cane at the bottom, so I'm hoping. It's planted deep, which I do with all my roses. Right next to it, I have a mini rose which has come back from the root, and is 4" tall already - go figure!
Connie

Checked tonight and there's no sign of green on Miss Sunrise. I'll probably end up replacing her and will make sure to plant her deep.

Laurie, i was going to order Earth Song but Hortico was out of that, so i settled for Hawkeye Belle. I'm sure i'll love her! :)

Ok, my apologies...but I just have to butt in here and ask a newbie rose question.

How do you know what roses need to be planted deeper and which ones at the same level as they were in the pot?

I'm totally obsessed with getting my first rose purchases right, Winnipeg Parks and Morden Blush. Do they tell you on the label? Cause these labels said at the same level as they were in the pot...but those who wrote it maybe never thought a crazy zone 1er would try to grow them :^(

But Shelley, is it only your Morden Sunrises you're are planting deeper or all the Mordens? I can't find the Blush label, but the Winnipeg says it is 'own root'. Is it better safe than sorry to plant deeper with any rose if you aren't sure? I had it in my head that they wouldn't like dirt around their stem.

There sure is a lot to know about roses! Any websites or other threads that would help this crazy newbie would be great!

Any grafted (not own-root) rose has to be planted 4 to 6 inches deeper than the graft. An own-root can be planted a little deeper too, in case winter kills its branches down to the soil line, then there will (ideally) be more alive under the soil line to grow back in spring.

I just got bareroot roses from Pickerings, and their instructions are to plant as normal (graft 4-6" deep, pack soil tightly), but also to hill up loose soil around the branches (they come almost dormant) to minimize drying out while the roots form. The canes will sprout through the soil if they are ready, or you can carefully wash the soil back as needed.

I'm starting to wonder if this wouldn't be a good policy for established plants coming out of winter dormancy... I have had a couple too many green caned roses at first thaw, that end up brown and dead by the time the others leaf out. Any thoughts on this?

Gillian, are you saying to mound soil in the spring over established roses before they leaf out? I suppose it may keep the canes from drying out, but an established rose already has a root system to draw up water with, unlike a bare root rose. But then, what is it exactly that has or is happening to that rose that has a bit of green cane but won't leaf out? Is it due to water loss, or fungus, or bacteria, or root damage, or was/is the soil too dry or too saturated? I really don't think that the freeze/thaw cycle had much to do with my Scentimental, as that was the very last bed for the snow to melt away on this spring. So I'm really at a loss as to what happened to it. It would be nice to know so as to prevent future deaths.
Btw, which roses did you get from Pickerings?

I plant all of my roses 4-6" deep. If the plants are small, (and some that I have gotten through the mail are) I plant them leaving a big hole that I fill in as the rose grows.
Something is working for me because I think that I lost my first rose(Rose de Rescht) to winterkill. Not bad for growing them for 17 yrs. I had 108 bushes last fall.(Gave 3 away ,Shovel pruned one,and bought 13 more for a total of 116 this year plus I am experimenting with 5 minis) I do tend to buy roses that are hardier though. I only purchase own root as well. Although I had a b/g Peace that made the winter of 2006. It bloomed lovely last year, but went into the garbage because it was diseased.
It is interesting Gillian,that you bring up the subject of mounding roses. I've read on rose forums that people bring in dirt and mound up the plants with that in the fall. They boast about their success rate with hybrid teas. It seems to be so much work though.

Shelley

Marcia, I think it was Morden Fireglow and Morden Sunrise that were lost.....but time will tell for sure. I am hoping that I am just forgetful and that there was another rose planted between Fireglow and Sunrise. Time will tell I guess.

Sierra

Shelley - it sure is a lot of work mounding up roses for the fall, especially if there are perennials all around and nowhere to borrow soil from. There is speculation that all known Peace stock has rose mosaic virus. Some individual plants resist it so well that they may never show symptoms, or just very mildly. I personally would not bother with Peace except that my Grandma's final wishes were to be buried with a Peace rose, so I increased my collection to 3 hoping to have at least one bloom for her funeral in July. If not I guess I will have to order some from a florist.

Laurie, I got Peace, Roller Coaster, Agnes, Blaze Improved, and Polstjarnan (own-root) from Pickerings. After a night soaking in a bucket of water, the roots had tiny white root hairs. Now that they're planted I think they will enjoy the several days of rain we've been having. (well drained yard, thank goodness)

About the green canes turning brown, I have assumed it is because of drying out. My yard has not had a frost since the last week of April. Yet Sunsprite turned from lots of green to all brown in that time. It was quite dry until this past week. I've only had it happen in dry springs.

Morden Sunrise is alive! I checked again last night, and I have a 1/4 " long shoot coming from the bottom. There's hope yet!

Connie

My zone 4 Lambert Closse usually dies back almost to the ground every year. It's very vigorous, however, so by June it's fully grown. Last year some of the canes grew 4 feet in about two weeks!

Topaz came on Friday. I ordered it from Dominion because that's the only place i found it (and i was ordering a couple of things from there already). It was bare root with waxed canes, and no sign of life at all. No new shoots, i mean. I suppose it's still alive, though. It's soaking in a bucket of water right now. If there's a break in this rain today, i'll get it into the ground. Six inches deeper! :)

Rose de Rescht is definitely a goner. I dug it out and the roots just snapped. Wasagaming is now planted in it's place.
I'm sure this one will be tougher.

Shelley

Holy cow! I've got sprouts coming on Scentimental!! I'm totally amazed! I guess threatening and buying a replacement for it, shocked it into growth!lol Now I have to come up with a spot for the replacement, Distant Drums, hmmmmm......

Marciaz3,

Is your Henry Kelsey showing any signs of life yet? Mine has really just started to do something... Its slow every year for me but always comes back.

I thought my John Cabot had bit the bullet (my own fault...I didn't do *any* mulching on it last year...what was I thinking??)...It's had significant die back, but it's decided to take off now. (YEAH!!) Mom gave me another Cabot and a Morden Centenial for Mother's Day this year and yesterday I bought a Pink Grootendoorf (I couldn't resist...I just love the ruffled edge on the petals). Anyone have tips for the Morden and Grootendoorf? Both are own root.

Verena

Andrew, as of yesterday there was nothing. And nothing on Miss Sunrise. I don't have any replacements yet, so they'll have more time to show something. I'll be sure to let you know! :)

No no Marcia, you have to get the replacements first, then the roses you thought were dead will come back to life.......it's kind of a win/win situation!LOL Hey, it worked for me!;^)

Okay, this weekend, Laurie! LOL