Judy is the bomb!! **big smile** (((HUGZ))) you can go to sams club if you have one near by and buy a box of them that's what i did, its much cheaper! LOL, then after you start trading, save your envi's, you won't have to buy anymore! trust me on tht! i had a whole huge kitchen trash bag full of them!! LOL one time i had two of them full!! i thought i'd need them, so i saved them (i wasn't trading for a bit) LOL ya, i ended up throwing them away, hubs said throw them away!!!! man, he was furious!! LOL so save them! they may look alittle used, but they are reusuable, i used aknife to open mine, LOL and i sometimes either used scotch tape or stapled them shut, as for the baggies, i use walmart little baggies (100/99 cents in the hobbies) and i made some using the method they showed, and pumkingal? she had a whole page on how to make them and so did quiltingfox. its very economical! LOL especially if you get lots of magazines! LOL

Karyn isn"t that the truth. We would have Siam's garden growing with all sorts of things in no time :-) Now I can not remember diddly squad. But for some reason I am thinking that the calla lilly seeds might need COLD treatment before you plant them. Karyn am I right or halucinating (sp)? Siam you will have so many fingers crossed for you, you probably be the best of the whole class :-))) Of course if I ever have seeds that I know you like, I love sharing with you. Here comes another questions : Are the seeds from you all from ONE and the same Canna? Just trying to figure out the odds lol Sorry I always keep you away from your studies or the joy you could have gardening by writing novels rofl Lucy

Ok, Siam I went for a walk today at lunch, and got your royal purple seeds, and Lilac seeds. The royal purple crape myrtle only get about 12 to 15 ft tall, the lilac crape myrtle get to 25 to 30ft tall. I also got Watermelon red, but all those seeds had fallen, I got some from the ground, this only get to be 12 to 15 ft tall. Do you want all three. Let me know if you need any other seeds. I can just stroll thru Lowes and get seeds for you. Carol, the lady that works there said I could have all the seeds I wanted, but I have never taken advantage of her offer, since I do not have time or patience to grow plants from seeds. Thank goodness most of my plants reseed on their own. Barbra,

Michelle, Please don't get disheartened. You and I are at a very different level from some of the folks here. Just learning to air layer was a huge accomplishment from me (I'll see if I can find a good online guide for you because it's fun once you get the hang of it and often works for plants that everyone says are easy to propogate, but don't just start growing roots in soil or water, which to newbie me is the easy way.) There are truly some very generous people here on the forum, and there are a few prickly types, you'll begin to recognize them. And then there are some who might just be having a bad day, gosh knows I've had some bad days. A Tropical Storm is bound to cause one. When it comes to the folks like Bihai, they're in a different league from you and me and it's sad that people have tried to take advantage of their expertise and generosity. That would leave a bad taste in my mouth too. But don't worry. As long as you don't do that, no one will be mean. Honestly, I don't see any reason Bihai needs defense. What she says makes perfect sense to me, and certainly didn't come off as prickly, or unkind. Just a different experience with trading from someone who has a lot more experience gardening and trading than I do. And if you and I weren't in such completely different climates, and miles and miles from each other, I'd love to trade with you. Do NOT be embarassed by your trade post. I doubt too many people are posting trades to show off what they can propogate, or are looking at other's trade posts and snickering at the amateurishness of them. If they're snickering at me, well, I hope they enjoyed that moment feeling superior. I've learned to do many things in my life, speak other languages, find common ground with people from wildly different backgrounds, find my way around war zones without getting killed, raise tomatoes, not kill gardenias. Each was challenging and in each endeavor, I found people who felt superior. The trick is to not let those people get to you because some of them aren't superior and I've understood things in a foreign language that they missed, found people who would tell me their story when they wouldn't tell the superior types, even gotten behind rebel lines before them and beaten them on news stories. I haven't grown better tomatoes yet, but someday maybe I will. Hopefully someday I'll coax the gardenia into blooming again. And I've already traded with several other newbies here, and I've sent seeds to people just because they wanted them and I had a lot of that particular thing. Others have done the same for me. Please, really, don't get disheartened. It's nice here. Susannah Here is a link that might be useful: air layering guide