Hybrid Perpetuals, the best ones.
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Comments (33)Jeri - yes I did, but it was a long time ago and now I forget who told me, but it was probably someone at the Celebration of Old Roses. I think I was told it is Eugene de Beauharnais. The original picture I posted above is the first plant of this rose which I planted in the sun, and discovered it was NOT a once bloomer. Below is a pic of the original original rose, (planted by one of my DH's ancestors) still growing in mostly shade below the crab apple tree, Japanese quince, and several other roses. It blooms happily, but only in the Spring. I know the one above in my original post is the same rose, because I planted that one when the one below tip rooted and I dug up the baby plant. I know you grow EdB, Jeri - what do you think? Amazing fragrance on all three of mine - the strongest "old rose" fragrance of all of the roses I have. Jackie...See MoreCare of band Hybrid Perpetuals
Comments (17)Hi Susan: Per your question of how old horse manure needs to be to put at the bottom of planting hole? Half-rotted is fine, by the time the roots reach that depth, it will decompose. Anaerobic (without oxygen) through burying release acids which bring down the pH of the lowest limestone layer of my soil. Melissa in Italy buries half-rotted straw at the BOTTOM of her planting hole. She has alkaline clay, and it works great. But I don't recommend burying stuff if your soil is already acidic, or if you have dry and hot climate like Kim Rupert. Stuff decomposes fast buried in my wet clay and warmer underground (where it's -20 on top in my zone 5a) Stuff decompose less in sandy dry soil. I had discussion with Ingrid regarding alfalfa pellets. It works great in her dry & warm climate where it decomposes readily on top. But alfalfa pellets is lousy in my wet and cold climate, where it gunks up on top, can't decompose. Alfalfa pH is acidic at 5.8, perfect breeding ground for black spots ... I get BS on roses in pots, with that acidic gunk on top. I had done plenty of experiments where I induced both black spots and mildew by keep the surface wet and slightly acidic. Conversely, when the surface is kept dry and alkaline like mulching with horse manure, zero diseases. I tested 4 types of potting soil: 1) MiracleGro regular (green bag) with fertilizer included 2) MiracleGro Moisture Control with fertilizer included 3) MiracleGro Organic potting soil, fertilizer and mostly composted pine barks (chunky) 4) Ball professional potting soil, composted pine fines, gypsum, peatmoss, vermiculite, which grew that Paul Neyron that I posted. The regular MiracleGro (green bag) is most acidic pH, around 6.5. Plants are super-dark-green in that mix. I don't like MG Moisture Control for my high rain climate, I found one inch of standing water in the pots with the heavy rain here. But Kim Rupert in CA likes that stuff... he has 7" of rain, compared to my 40" of rain plus 23" snow per year. The MG ORGANIC potting soil with mostly pine fines grows the best root, since it's most loose. Ball potting soil is similar, but higher quality ... drawback? Ball doesn't have the slow-released fertilizer that MG Organic has. I bought Jungle Grow potting mix from Sam's club yesterday, really cheap... a HUGE BAG (double the normal size) for $8. Many people who grow plant seedlings like that one ... it's very well-drained, so you would have to water it often, but you'll get deeper root growth. It has slow-release fertilizer with all micro-nutrients. As to pile up horse manure, I won't recommend that unless your soil pH is acidic. If you google, "The Long-Term Effect of a Single Application of Horse Manure on Soil pH" it will show how horse manure RAISE the pH of soil, making nutrients such as phosphorus, potassium, iron, manganese, boron, zinc, copper NOT available due to high pH locking up nutrients. Horse manure provides decent calcium, but not much phosphorus (essential for blooming) due to high pH tied-up. I piled up horse manure (pH 7.4) on Golden Celebration and it became stingy. My soil pH is 7.7, so it doesn't help ... although Golden Celebration bloomed more the 1st year when I brought the pH down with peat moss. I would test the pH of the horse manure first before applying. Also test your soil pH as well. The first advantage of alkaline pH of horse manure is prevention of fungal growth (both mildew and Blackspot). The second advantage of horse manure is beneficial insects and bacteria, which deter pests. Hi Bluegirl: I'm glad that you found pine fines. I'm using pine bark mulch and mix right into my heavy clay. It's cheaper at $2.45 a bag from Menards. Since my soil is tested deficient in potassium I also mix Cocoa Mulch (NPK of 2.5-1-3, much higher than alfalfa at NPK 2-1-2). Cocoa Mulch is sold for $3.59 at Menards, but best MIXED at the bottom of planting hole... if dogs eat that stuff, they become sick. Peat moss is most acidic at pH 4. Next is pine bark at pH 4.7 (the stuff in potting soil is neutralized by the addition of lime). Least acidic is cocoa mulch at pH 5.8 .... plants prefer a pH range of 6 to 7, so that stuff is great mixed in with the soil to retain moisture to provide NPK 2.5-1-3. If you mix cocoa mulch into the soil, WATER it in immediately, so the chocolate scent would be gone, and dogs won't eat that. The pre-washed stuff is safe for pets. Cocoa Mulch is lousy & poisonous to pets on top, but great mix-in at the bottom of the hole. Here is a link that might be useful: Cheapest way to test soil pH using red cabbage This post was edited by Strawberryhill on Mon, Apr 22, 13 at 13:10...See MoreHelp me choose Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals
Comments (23)Jeri, Thanks for the feedback; I was hoping you'd write in. You must have posted your first message right when I began to write mine, and so I missed it. As to growing conditions, we have more winter chill and perhaps more summer heat than you, fog not too often during the growing season, heavy soil and perhaps not as alkaline as what you describe. It's significant that rust is practically unknown here, and blackspot isn't a major problem (though I don't like it when it shows up). Actually, when I'm not worrying about drought, landslides, (earthquakes,) and the economic policies of the Italian government, I'm inclined to think that we have a perfect environment for growing roses. (I'm beginning to think this country needs a revolution, AND all its politicians struck down by lightning from heaven: it seems the only way to get rid of them.) 'Gloire des Rosomanes' is probably available in Europe, but I don't believe is common in Italy: I don't remember ever seeing it offered for sale in this country, and no one I know has it. You bet I would like to have it. I seem to recall reading that it's confused in commerce with 'Nur Mahal', in Europe I believe. Taoseeker, Aha! Several years ago I too ordered 'Comte de Chambord', 'Mme. Boll', and 'Mme. Knorr' (from Schultheis in Germany) and ended up with what looked like three identical roses...a wonderful one, to be sure. Like you I'm wondering if there's a unique 'Mme. Knorr' in commerce. I have a fourth plant arrived from who knows where, that looks like these three, but I need to re-compare them all carefully to see whether there are differences. Thanks for reminding me of the dark Hybrid Perpetuals, a group I have no personal experience with, but consider worth looking into. I don't think 'Fantin-Latour' has much Centifolia about it either; I think it falls into the category of what Vintage calls Hybrid Bourbons. It's a wonderful rose, fragrant, vigorous, and healthy, and a pleasure just to handle. The Centifolias and Mosses generally do well for me, but I have easy conditions. With leggy plants sometimes I do have to prune harder: 'La Noblesse' is a good example, and I think I'll have to cut back 'Shailer's White Moss' more than I have in the past. This last rose, so beautiful, is showing bits of pink on a lot of its flowers this year. Suzy, after losing two purchased grafted plants of 'Hebe's Lip' (herbicide and mowing), I got cuttings in a swap and now have three plants of it growing around the property. They're young but growing fine and I'm looking forward to seeing them in their maturity. 'Coupe d'Hebe' is duly noted. Jaxondel, Okay, 'Marquis de Balbiano'; I'll keep it in mind. This is a great discussion. Melissa...See MoreHybrid Perpetuals + hot, humid summers = bad combo?
Comments (72)Perle's scent is very light. Her apricot blooms fade more quickly in sun, but they are charming either way. Perle is quite thorny and grows into a substantial bush. In its shadier location, my Perle can easily top 6 feet even when pruned regularly. Her buds are like tiny high centered Hybrid Tea buds. She is very healthy. Like Marie, Perle blooms late spring through fall. Something else to note about Marie Pavie: she's thornless. Carol...See Morejerijen
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