Repeating moss rose??

14 years ago

Hello, im starting to work on next years garden , and was hoping to get some recomendations on a repeating bloom moss rose? The color dosnt matter, but if you can help me id appriciate it! Pictures of course would be lovely! :) Thank you all!

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mariannese

14 years ago

I've lost Salet recently and my Alfred de Dalmas (Mousseline?) was very spotty this summer and nearly leafless. For this and other reasons I had sworn not to order any more roses for at least another year but you have enabled me with this thread. A rosarian friend will order from Loubert in France on behalf of several people and I've added my order for RenÃ© d'Anjou, James Veitch, Quatre Saisons Blanc Mousseux and Soupert et Notting. I remember a picture of James Veitch in one of Graham Thomas' books and Brent Dickerson once recommended Soupert et Notting as a neat remontant moss. I hope all these will stay fairly short.

It's difficult to know how to stop once you begin to read rose lists, so I also ordered an Erinnerung an Brod and a Frau Karl Druschki.

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york_rose
14 years ago
Repeating mosses are very few and far between. I grow one (in less than optimal circumstances since it's in the shade of a flowering cherry). Salet is its name. From what I understand even when it's in optimal conditions it has a big bloom in late spring/early summer (mid to late June where I live), and then occasional sparse flowers once in a while thereafter. It definitely qualifies as "remontant" more than as a full repeat bloomer.

The vast majority of the moss roses only bloom once at the end of the spring or beginning of summer.
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
14 years ago
Alfred de Dalmas is a lovely little rose that repeats well but the flowers are so delicate that they did not last well in my hot climate. For you it might do much better.

Ingrid
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melva
14 years ago
How about Salet? It is a luminous pink and smells great.
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pfzimmerman
14 years ago
Salet has for me been the best of the repeat mosses. But as york rose points out it is remontant and not really repeating. For me great spring bloom, a little if any in summer and a fall flush.
sergeantcuff
14 years ago
I have read that Rene d'Anjou has good repeat. I'm thinking if trying it myself. Henri Martin does not rebloom but has wonderful orange hips.

Paul - How's the repeat on Mme. Platz?

Maureen
monarda_gw
14 years ago
A miniature: Heidi. Very thorny but not too small. Looks nice with bigger roses of a lilac or lavender pink cast.

Here is a link that might be useful: Heidi
jerijen
14 years ago
'Mme De la Rochelambert' is a Damask Moss which actually repeated a little, even here in coastal Southern CA.

It would have been far happier with at least a little winter chill (which it didn't get here!) and
I suspect would have had a bit more Fall repeat.

And it is a lovely, fragrant poiple thing, too.
:-)

Jeri
In Overly-Mild
Coastal SoCal
pfzimmerman
14 years ago
Mme Platz is about how Jeri describes Mme De la Rochelambert. We get winter chill, which does seem to help. I think a safe rule for repeating Moss roses is lovely spring bloom and a fall flush. Salet seems to be the one that gives the best remontantcy.

This might be different more up north in zones 5 and lower but I'm not qualified to answer that one thank goodness!
lori_elf z6b MD
14 years ago
Rene d'Anjou is the best repeating moss rose I grow. I got it from Pickering nurseries. I also like Salet and Soupert et Notting. Alfred de Dalmas was very runty and prone to blackspot here.
monarda_gw
14 years ago
Still pushing Heidi. Someone wrote on the Reviews and Comments page of Helpmefind:
"I had to leave a comment. This is one of my favorite mini mosses right after Dresden Doll. The flowers are a lovely shade of pink and very shapely. I have grown it for years. Although I have Goldmoss, Scarlet Moss, Mel Hulse, and a few personal seedlings, none of them has that romantic feeling associated with the old mosses. Of the modern mosses, only Heidi, Dresden Doll, and Lady Moss bring the romantic [beauty] of the old mosses into modern repeat blooming bushes."

Heidi is very fragrant, too. I don't know why it isn't more often seen -- maybe it has some terrible defect I don't know about. Anyway, assuming it doesn't, it would look great, say, in a group of three or more (since Heidi is rather small to stand alone) with some of the larger, less frequently blooming mosses mentioned above, like Mme de la Roche-Lambert and Salet, or even that once-blooming beauty, Common Moss, the most beautiful of all, in the opinion of many.

(I first saw it at the farmer's market in a display with Angel Face and Mirandy, which is where I fell for it.)

The only drawback I can think of is -- I wouldn't want to trip over it: it is very thorny. But aren't other moss roses also?

Rougue Valley has it -- or rather will have it, they're out at the moment. They class it with the minis and call it "Heidi Moss".

Incidentally, I don't think the picture on the main "Heidi" page of Helpmefind is really Heidi. But the attached one is.

Here is a link that might be useful: Heidi, again
greybird
14 years ago
I've had James Veitch since early spring, is still in a two gallon pot. Small in stature, slow growing, but rarely without big, beautiful, very fragrant blooms. I have seen it offered only by Vintage Gardens here in the US.
Also, you might try Quatre Saisons Blanc Mousseaux, a moss-damask. Very good repeat and highly fragrant, mossy foliage, my favorite of all my 175? varieties.
york_rose
14 years ago
In my experience Salet has lots of very skinny thorns, but none that are long or thick. Most of them are approx. 1/16"-1/8" long and about as substantial as a piece of paper. It's just that the stems are almost completely covered with them. As long as you wear the usual precautionary gloves you generally wear when handling roses you don't even notice Salet's thorns. The thorns of Rosa rugosa are more substantial (& if you're familiar with R. rugosa you know that's not saying much).

If the thorns of most roses make the stems like blackberry canes then the thorns of Salet make its stems like raspberry canes.
york_rose
14 years ago
monarda, Heidi's flowers are adorable! What's the scent like? How is its disease resistance? What sort of size does it get to be?

(The images on HelpMeFind's pages rotate if there's more than one catalogued for that rose. I looked through the photo library for Heidi, and I think maybe I know which image you saw. One of the images is of a single, while all the other images are of a double. Some rose varieties are known to produce both double & single blossoms on one plant, depending on circumstances, but if you've only ever seen double blossoms on Heidi, then I suspect that one picture is in error. It happens there occasionally & you can flag such photos to let HelpMeFind know about those. They'll then add a cautionary note to that picture to warn people that it may not be a correct photo.)
york_rose
14 years ago
Here's one I've heard of, but know nothing about: Mousseline.

Does anyone have any experience with Mousseline?
ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
14 years ago
Mousseline is another name for Alfred de Dalmas. It was disease-free for me but apparently gets blackspot in some areas. It is a small rose and not the greatest rebloomer but I thought it had a charming period feel. If my weather were cooler I'd grow it again.

Ingrid
cemeteryrose
14 years ago
Alfred de Dalmas does great for me in Sacramento - blooms don't last but it repeats rather regularly, and I like its small stature. We don't have BS problems generally, and it's been healthy enough. {{gwi:325819}}

James Veitch has drop-dead-gorgeous speckled purple flowers, but mine is still just a baby so I don't know its growth and bloom habits. Love the bloom, pointed buds that are born in clusters, and fragrance of Quatre Saisson Blanc Mousseaux, although it's a sprawling plant. I'm glad that we have it in the cemetery and I don't have to try to find place for it in my cramped home garden.
Anita
olga_6b
14 years ago
Rene d'Anjou is the best for me here in MD. Good repeat and reasonable health. Not as healthy as some onceblooming mosses, but still not bad at all. Wonderfull fragrance too.
Olga
patriciae_gw
14 years ago
I will third Rene d'Anjou as the best repeater. It makes a nice upright shrubby sort of rose. Very fragrant with really nice moss. Lots of the repeating mosses are Damask Perpetual in background and tend to get crud..Mme de la Roche-Lambert and her twin EugÃ©nie Guinoisseau both get this but they do repeat reasonably. Another good deep red is Deuil de Paul Fontaine and it is cleaner here. I also have had no luck with Alfred de Dalmas-just not vigorous here although I hear good things about it. I have the climbing moss Wichmoss and it is late and has a really long bloom-almost better than repeat. I personally think the best mosses are the once bloomers and my personal favorite red is Nuits de Younge-it has the most wonderful foliage even when not in bloom and the bloom lasts and lasts.

patricia
rev_roses
14 years ago
What about Unconditional Love? I purchased it this Fall and have planted it too late for any blooms this year. It was created by Paul Barden building upon Ralph Moore's work.

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cupshaped_roses
14 years ago
Rose des Quatre Saisons blanc mousseux ( Perpetual White Damask Moss) is my favorite moss. It repeat blooms reliable - is very fragrant and very mossy. I like the scent of the glandular mossy growth too! Big rose! 5-6 feet tall and 4 feet wide.

Alfred De Dalmas (or maybe 'Mousseline' - not sure if there is any difference ... these roses seem to have become mixed up most places) - I grow both and prefer 'Mousseline' but cant tell any difference, other than 'Mousseline' seems more vigorous (could be differences in light/placement) but it could be the same rose sold under 2 names. It is a smaller nice little moss too.

Heidi and Unconditional Love are interesting roses too - they are new to me! Always interesting to see new roses ...

Even though rebloom is nice - I would not be without the onceblooming 'Henri Martin' or 'Madame Louis LÃ©vÃªque' (said to occasional repeat - must be once in a blue moon then ...
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14 years ago
Lady Moss and Gabrielle Noyelle
sergeantcuff
14 years ago
I was hoping Mme Louis Leveque would rebloom as it balled this Spring. Sigh. The color was absolutely gorgeous though! Before this Spring, I'd never seen balled blooms on any rose in my garden, but the rain was relentless around bloom time.

Henri Martin shared top honors with Alice Vena (gallica) for the 2009 Foliage Award in my garden.

Maureen
luxrosa
14 years ago
I wouldn't say this is a Moss rose, but it is a fine rose. I grow 'Mel Hulse' and it has won my heart for its wine colored blooms that have shingled petaled blooms, which shows corn-yellow stamens, that are a great delight to me. It has had 2 bloom cycles since June when I purchased it, and the blooms last well in vases.
-Very prickly canes.
-It also appears to be moderatly shade tolerant, I've got it in partial shade beside 'Lyda Rose'.
- It is November 9th and Mel is still blooming and has all its' foliage, while my neighbors Hybrid Teas stopped blooming 3 weeks ago and have entered dormancy.
The rose blossoms have no scent that I can tell of, however I can live with one non-fragrant rose cultivar for all of Mels other fine virtues.
Lux.

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mariannese

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