Any of these Teas Not garden worthy?

15 years ago

I'm trying to decide on some Teas... are any of these teas not really worth the space in your garden?

R. tea "Comtesse Festectics Hamilton"

R. tea "Enchantress"

R. tea "General Gallieni"

R. tea "General Schablikine"

R. tea "General Tartas"

R. tea "Gilbert Nabonnand"

R. tea "Mlle. Jeanne Philippe"

R. tea "Mme. Caroline Kuster"

R. tea "Mme Charles"

R. tea "Mme. Maurin"

R. tea "Rhodologue Jules Gravereaux"

R. tea "Rival de Paestum"

R. tea "Victor Velidan"

R. tea "Windsor Tea"

Thanks,

Robert

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jbfoodie

15 years ago

I grow Mme Charles and love the peachy pink blooms. This fall it is exhibiting yellow peach tones. I love the variation. No disease to speak of and typical Tea growth.

It just so happens that I took this picture of Mlle. Jeanne Philippe at Vintage this last spring:

If I had more room, I would definitely grow this rose.

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luxrosa
15 years ago
Tea is my favorite class of rose, and if I owned acreage, I'd grow every cultivar. That being said, of your list these are my favorites;
'Enchantress' not just another pink rose,and quite fragrant to my nose.
"General Tartas' my favorite of the 3 General Teas.
'Gilbert Nabonnand' lovely large blooms.
'Mme. Charles' sweet blends of pink and peach.
I love the R. Jules Gravereax I saw at Vintage Gardens nursery, but not another of that name that I've seen elsewhere. All of these A+
General Gallieni has many fans but I don't like the hues, they bleach out here, I'd grow 'Clementina Carbonieri' instead.
"Rival de Paestum' and 'Windsor Tea' are not roses I'd choose if I could only grow a dozen, and the others are on my B list, with the exception of 'Victor Velidan' which I would not grow again because its' upright growth habit, which was too like a Hybrid Tea, for my tastes. It is very fragrant though, in the right humidity.

Luxrosa
carolfm
15 years ago
Robert,

General Gallieni doesn't bleach out here, in fact the colors deepen in the sun. It is a wonderful Tea that is very blackspot resistant in a garden where some Tea's defoliate.

Mme. Charles, is only two years in my garden, as are Victor Velidan, and Rhod. Jules Gravereaux but so far I really love the blooms and the foliage has been pretty clean. VV has beautiful, big, fragrant blooms here. I guess it is really too early to give a very good assessment of them but so far, so good.

I had Rival de Paestum and I gave it away. I just didn't love it :-)

I've ordered Enchantress and Comtesse Festetics Hamilton for delivery in spring.

Do you have Mme Bravy or Beaute Inconstante? These are two that are fairly new to me and I really like them.

Carol
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I got Mlle. Jeanne Philippe in the Vintage Sale this summer. The poster "sherryocala" also bought it. So if you can wait a couple of years, we can probably both give you an opinion! Mine is potted into a gallon pot and is looking very well. It is (so far) small and very graceful. No blooms yet, I expect to have to wait till Spring.
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I don't grow any of those teas at home, and the only one we have in the cemetery is mislabeled 'Rhodologue Jules Graveraux' - Vintage told us ours is actually 'Jean Bach Sisley.'

However, I saw Victor Velidan and it had the most astonishing, egg-shaped buds and huge blooms that I've ever seen. If there are any bigger tea flowers, I don't know what they are. I'd definitely give it a try.
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sherryocala
15 years ago
Hi, Robert, I have General Schablikine and Mlle Jeanne Philippe, as organic_tosca mentioned. The General has only been in the ground a couple of months, but he is doing well. I find his flower color refreshingly different - kind of multi-colored, coppery dark pink. It's exciting to see one open, and they're shaped a little differently. I really like it so far. I almost killed MJP with something in the potting mix when I moved her up to a one gallon. I put her in the ground on Sunday by way of rescue - just a shadow of her former self, no bigger than your fist. Hopefully, she'll take - inspite of me. Like Tosca said, we'll keep you posted.

Several of the Teas on your list are on my "possibles" list, so I'm interested in these replies as well. Thanks for posting your list.

Sherry
gnabonnand
15 years ago
Robert, during the spring, my 'Gilbert Nabonnand' is one of the most beautiful roses I've ever laid eyes on.
During the rest of the year, it's still healthy & attractive and very productive.

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catsrose
15 years ago
My General Tartas does not get enough sun, I think. If I don't think that, then I don't have a good opinion of him.
melissa_thefarm
15 years ago
My goodness, only one rave so far for 'GÃ©nÃ©ral Schablikine'? One of the more available Teas here, very beautiful, VERY tough: I recommend it highly. Wish I had the others: I have some of them on order this year.
jardineratx
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Of the ones mentioned, I only have G. Nabonnand. It is guickly becoming one of my favorite teas; it is healthy, has beautiful blooms and is a moderate size. The rebloom has been excellent for me.
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Gen Schab is very similar to Mons Tillier but a smaller plant without the coppery tones (just pank).
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jerijen
15 years ago
I have always loved Gen. Gallieni -- I love the bloom color, which does
darken in the sun here.
Ours was never a strong plant, and lovely Gean recently sent us cuttings
from her vigorous plant.
They're doing really well in the greenhouse. :-)

G. Nabonnand was slow to mature here, but a beauty after about 3 years.
Almost never out of bloom (and I do love the blooms) and disease-free.

Gen. Tartas has not been great here, and we probably won't keep him.
But that doesn't mean he'd not be great elsewhere.

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luanne
15 years ago
Robert, I don't have any of those but will list these that I do have because they are decidedly garden worthy.
Lady Hillingdon--for sheer remontance and color of bloom
Rosette Delizy-a fountain of blooms, always
Clementina Carbonieri-beautiful color,exceptional rebloom
Devoniensis--smells so good, blooms so beautiful
Mme. Berkeley--beautiful, the cleanest foliage, no pm at all
Marie van Houtte--sturdy, blooming, beautiful
Mme. Lombarde--one of the best fragrances of the teas
Maman Cochet--exquisite blooms, see my gallery on French mamans
Mlle. Franziska Kruger--exquiste, balls in the Spring but lovely ever after.
Souv. de Therese Lovet, a fine small red tea
Souv. de Claudious Denoyal--even better, redder, and a great rose fragrance, love this rose.
I just assumed you hadn't made up your mind yet so I threw these into the mix. If you need pix, lat me know.
la
katefisher
15 years ago
May I ask a question and hijack just a little:)? If Robert will indulge me.

I'm curious between Rosette Delizy and Gilbert Nabonnand how they compare in size? I have no room at all left but if I'm going to add to my Vintage order it should be one that I strongly suspect is the smaller of the two.

I've been coming over here from the Rose Forum for the past few months and reading everyone's posts has been just fascinating. I'm ready to go out and start yanking some of my HT's and plant old roses.

Thank you.

Kate

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