I have 'Red Intution'. It is still small; therefore I cannot comment on mature plant size. Vigor is moderate, rebloom is very good for so small and young a plant. Disease resistant appears to be better than average. Heat tolerance appears to be better somewhat than average.

As you say, very striking flower--dark red stripes on a lighter red background. Picture includes free dog hair contributed by Hoover who was trying to get himself petted while I was trying to take a picture.

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I don't have RED INTUITION, although I do have it on order, but I have HENRI MATISSE. I think they are very different though. Here is HENRI:

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As you can see, it is almost a single and it grows like the shrub it is - and could be a climber. It blooms a lot and is a bright spot in the garden, but it is not a cutting rose. RED INTUITION is a florist rose, so it is good for cutting and it has great form. But, I understand, like all florist roses, it takes coddling.

I have several striped roses, but one I would recommend that it kind of in between the two above, but very easy to grow is SOUTINE. Here is a picture, which isn't very good, it has better form than this. It blooms a lot, has large blooms, and is an easy keeper!

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I have Red Intuition, taken from a cutting 2-3 years ago. It's about 4ft tall, upright, often blooms in clusters. Retains the deep red without going pink, purple or some other weird color. I've got it in eastern exposure only.

My Red Intuition does well here. It has great form. Though it is a florist rose, it does very well in my garden. I also have Soutine which I got last fall from Vintage. It is still young and small. It is also a florist rose. So far. Red Intuition has better form.

Dawn

I love them both. Have always liked Red Intuition.
Henri Matesse is gorgeous. Great photos too.
Mike, that is one hard choice!

Carla

Hello
I grow Henri Matisse, I wanted red intuition but it is not sold in Canada. As for Henri, it survives my cold harsh winters. The flowers are somewhat globular. They have nice stripes that are diffent on each bloom, darker in the spring. No sent that I can detect. Does not last perticularly long once cut. Pretty and different.
Liane

I've got both but they're both very, very young. Henri has only bloomed twice and only the second one had stripes. Right now I like Red Intuition better because the light red on dark red color is more interesting than the red and white of Henri. I got Red Intuition this spring as a maiden from Wisconsin Roses. It is my first maiden so I don't know if others are like this, but so far it has been very vigorous and grown and bloomed very well.

Carla, it may not have to be a choice BETWEEN the two roses. I could get both, just not from the same vendor. After encouraging comments above, I've gotten on the waiting list for Red Intuition and Pink Intuition from Wisconsin Roses. Henri Matisse I'm still thinking about. I'd have to give up something else I already have in order to sqeeze it in. It's a more traditional red-white color combination. I'm hoping to purchase Camille Pisarro, which is closer to George Burns in coloring, with cream, yellow, and deep pink all mixed up. I have to decide whether to add Henri Matisse to that order.

Sounds from the comments above that Red Intuition can handle summer weather, so that's encouraging. This would be my first rose ever on Multiflora rootstock, so I'm curious and will have to see how that does for me. Thanks everyone.

Mike

Red Intuition makes me drool. I don't usually mail order roses though. Alas.
Kathy

You won't regret getting Red Intuition from Wisconsin Roses. My Pink Intuition died and I was considering not getting another (I felt guilty) but after seeing how well Red Intuition has done I can't wait to get Pink Intuition too. I think I'm going to try it in a pot this time so I can protect it a bit better until it gets going.

FYI. We've licensed Cool Roses in Florida to do the Delbards on Fortuniana.

Paul Z.

RI is one of my favorite roses. And red is not my favorite color! I just love the red-on-red combo. It does really well in my garden. Altho, this yr hasn't been all that great for any of my roses. I've neglected them all summer due to things going on in my life. And the deer have eaten a LOT of my roses. But they never seem to bother with RI. May be because it doesn't have any scent to speak of.
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HM hasn't done much for me. It was a Hortico baby a couple of yrs ago, and unfortunately the bed it's in is severely lacking amendments as well as TLC. It only gave me one bloom this season:
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As many of you know, I'm a stripey freak, so I had to have them both. Hopefully HM will perform better next season when I have more time to dedicate to the yard.

If you want a really good red/white stripe rose tho, get SOUTINE from Vintage Gardens. It's a monster bloomer, and rarely out of bloom. The blooms last forever too. Far superior to HM.
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Yea!! Wisconsin Roses just emailed me to give a heads up that my order was to ship Monday (yesterday). I'm excited. Red Intuition and Pink Intuition maidens. I know it will take a while for them to grow up, but that's ok. Can anyone tell me if Pink Intuition is a color sport of Red Intuition or just from the same breeding program?
Any other encouraging comments about these roses?
Soutine looks enticing, too. But I can't find it anywhere on Vintage's website. Is it only available as a custom rooted plant? They're custom roots are too pricey for me, I'm afraid.

Mike

Paul,

YAYY!!!!!!!!

Elaine

Pink Intuition is a color sport of Red Intuition, and I have yet to see a pink one that is particularly vigorous. I'm developing a hypothesis that whatever diluted the color to the lighter shade also diluted the vigor of the bush, and since there is some belief that stripes in general are caused by a virus when they show up on a previously unstriped variety, maybe the same virus saps some of the bush's energy?

Just a theory . . . anyone know?

Kathy

That's good news Mike. You'll be very happy as my Red Intuition got quite large in its first year. Expect it to do well once it gets past the 'baby' stage. I don't know if Pink Intuition does as well as mine died before it really got going.

my pink and red intuition will be ready in march. :)

I would love Soutine too but as they said VG does not have it available. I want this rose! I have been looking for it for quite a while.

I got my first Red Intuition as a rooted cutting from a friend a year and a half ago, and got on the waiting list for a Red and Pink Intuition from Wisconsin Roses in early 2007. All are doing fabulously well. I haven't seen the crazy reverting that the whole Hocus Pocus/Black Beauty/Frisco family is prone to with the Intuitions. I have a bunch of roses of the Hocus Pocus family, and have been very entertained over the years with their reversions and sports. I have one plant that now has all three blooming on it for the past couple of years... pretty cool! Anyway, the Intuitions so far seem rock solid in their rebloom and vigor. Even in their small-ish pots, they are making large gorgeous blooms. The Pink is a bit more stingy so far than the Red. But they are both great.

BTW, I have grown Camille Pissaro for at least three years, and I think that George Burns is a much better rose. They are fairly similar in color, but George is fragrant and doesn't want to grow monster huge like Camille.

Susan

Thanks for all the input, guys. I am soaking the Intuition maidens in bucket right now. Hopefully the Pink one will do OK. So how big do these two varieties grow for everyone?
Susan, I still have my eye on George Burns for later. I wanted to get Hocus Pocus from Moore Roses a while back, but then he closed down. : (
I have what was supposed to be Memphis Magic, though, a very similar looking mini-flora. But mine reverted to Memphic Magic, a solid black cherry color with just a touch of yellow to the base of the backside of the petals. Still beautiful but not what I had in mind. I've had it a year and a half, am thrilled with how profusely it has bloomed, but in all this time I've seen 1 bloom that had 1 yellow stripe. That's it. lol Still beautiful, at least. I also bought Careless Love 2 years ago and it turned out to be a reversion to solid shell-pink. I gave it away. I haven't had much luck with stiped roses so far, but I love the look. My only existing striped rose right now is the mini, Pinstripe, which is fine but rarely is it very shapely for me in the sense of classic hybrid tea-style blooms. I hope Red Intuition changes that track record, and maybe Pink Intuition too.
Once again, how big should I expect these to get???

Mike

Red Intuition is a regular Hybrid Tea sized rose -- it occasionally throws nice sprays at about eye level -- 5 feet or so. My pink intuition was always small -- 2 feet, maybe 2 and a half. But that was because it was a weak, sickly plant.

As for Memphis Magic/Hocus Pocus/Abracadabra -- I've been growing them side by side for over a year now and I have convinced myself that they are all the same rose. There's no difference between them in plant habit, bloom size or propensity to sport in my yard at all. I know some disagree. So be it. Maybe, just maybe, the breeder got his cuttings mixed up with his seedlings?

Kathy

Thanks Kathy. I noticed I typed "Memphis Magic" twice. I meant Memphis Music, the striped rose, reverted to Memphis Magic. Any-hoo. I wondered about the practical difference between Hocus Pocus and Memphis Music. I had heard the same problems about both reverting. Plus the listed bloom and bush sizes are the same, though one is called a mini-flora and the other a hybrid tea. Go figure. I have some mini-floras you'd think were hybrid teas.

Mike

Pink Intuition planted this year

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Further, on the Memphis Music/Abracadabra/Hocus Pocus similarity, I also note that the breeder of Memphis Music (the Abracadabra look alike that I think is actually Abracadabra, not a new and different mini flora) has now registered a yellow "sport" of that family, named Top Contender, which in my opinion is actually Frisco, the original Kordes rose from which sprang the Hocus Pocus/Abracadabra/Black Beauty family of sports.

Makes you wonder -- what exactly are the chances of two very dark red roses (Black Beauty and Memphis Magic) sporting the very same yellow rose. Can't be good odds.

Kathy

Mike,

Maidens grow really fast, and are not nearly as scary as most people think they are!

Like Kathy said, I'm very suspicious about these Memphis Magic and Music roses. Based on the pics I looked at at HMF, it certainly looks like they are of the Hocus Pocus/Black Beauty/Frisco family. Abracadabra is supposedly yet another sport of this family. The lineage listed for the Memphis roses gives no indication that they would produce the roses in the pics. I could be totally off-base here, but I think that someone got one or more of the common sports of someone in the Hocus Pocus/Black Beauty/Frisco family, and decided to rename it as a new rose, hence the Memphis roses. Their claim of lineage seems quite suspect. I have had several Hocus Pocus from Carltons revert back to Black Beauty, with occasional yellow stripes, and have several plants of Hocus Pocus made from cuttings of florist roses revert to Black Beauty. The plant I currently have with all three blooming on it for the past two years was made from a cutting of a florist rose of Hocus Pocus. This family is crazy!

Susan

Mike, I understand. I've had that problem. That is why I now order from two sources every year. Still loving that Red Intuition and will need it one day.
I hope to see pictures next year!

Carla

Great pictures, Markiz37! Nice to see Pink Intuition can be so beautiful, even if it doesn't grow or bloom as much as its red counterpart.
Kathy and Susan, I actually feel better in a strange way at hearing Hocus Pocus might be the same as Memphis Music. I feel better about not having been able to buy the former. So maybe that reverted Memphis Magic I seem to have is actually the reverted Black Beauty I was curious about. Or if not, at least is indestinguishable. Makes me think of some other roses that are commonly mistaken for each other: like the floribundas Nicole and Hanna Gordon; the HT Barcelona and tea Francis Dubreuil. Or what about those body-bag roses at Walmart or Home Depot with pictures and printed descriptions that look identical to well-known varieties but which are being sold with names I can find in no database anywhere? Hmm.... sounds a little suspicious to me. I have yet to buy any like that. I have a hard enough time dealing with somebody giving me a gift rose without a name. I have a pathological need to know what I'm growing. "Yellow rose" just is not good enough. lol
I wish I could afford (space and money both) to order duplicates. I actually don't have more than one of any single rose I grow at the moment. Maybe that's living dangerously. But my yard is so tiny. I try to partially compensate by giving rooted cuttings of some (older ones of course) to friends and neighbors. That way, if one of mine meets an untimely death, I have someone I can mooch some cuttings from. I couln't recall the names of my failed Careless Love striped rose the other day. It didn't die, just never had any stripes. Now I remember it's from the Radiance family. But I still not sure if it reverted back to Radiance or Mrs. Charles Bell, supposedly a subtle shell-pink version of the Radiance roses. Anyway, it's sitll growing happily in front of my next door neighbor's home.

Mike

Yes. But I saw a florist bouquet of them at Vons a couple of weeks ago, here in San Juan Capistrano. How are you at rooting florist roses? Check your local grocery store.

With the stripes becoming more popular, I see striped varieties frequently when doing the regular shopping. I do have a batch of the new Fiesta that I got from a local Ralph's store that I am trying to root now. Hope it works.

Here is a link that might be useful: Fiesta

Mike, I totally understand about having only one copy of an ultra-rare favorite rose. I have several roses that I made cuttings of from the SJHRG, and some that are rarely available from Vintage, that I currently only have one copy of. Many other roses like this I have distributed to my friends over the years, so I have a backup for them. But you reminded me that I need to make cuttings of these current singletons as a backup.

Regarding rooting florist roses. I had pretty good success at rooting florist roses with Hocus Pocus... back in maybe 2002, a friend and I split 6 florist stems into 12 cuttings and got 50% rooting success. We did this as an experiment after the Hocus Pocus roses I ordered from Carlton's turned out to be two thirds Black Beauty. The six originals from Carlton's and the florist cuttings have been all over the map in terms of what they eventually turned out to be. But I definitely have all three roses: Black Beauty, Hocus Pocus and Frisco from those plants and cuttings. The sport to Frisco was the last one, over two years ago, and has held. I have not seen anything that looks like Abracababra yet.

I tried a couple of times to root Red Intuition from florist stems, with zero success. A friend who had an established plant made a cutting of it for me, and then I got my Red and Pink Intuitions from Wisconsin Roses last November.

Susan