Eric:
My Jude is yellow but not a bright yellow. He is planted next to Molineux which is a much brighter yellow. He doesn't have much peach in him. Sorry!

It is pale yellow with a wonderful fragrance!

Pale yellow in my garden.

Is Jude the Obscure peach or yellow? Yes.

Here the color's wildly unstable, depending on the weather. It can vary from orangy yellow to pale yellow to a creamy peachy color. Wonderful rose.

Jerome

Thanks for the replies so far! This forum definitely enabled me on this one, I guess my two biggest criteria are flower form (love cupshaped) and fragrance, which from what I've seen Jude has. Peach-yellow-apricot-orange, I'll be happy. Although, I'm still curious about the variations, and look forward to hearing what others have to say to see if there's an environmental cause.

Jerome, you said the color is unstable depending on the weather...do certain conditions cause certain colors?

Eric

Mine has pale yellow and pale peachy tones

Eric, it has been said that cooler temps. bring more intense color.

Carla

"Wildly unstable" pretty much says it. Mine ranges from light, almost celery yellow to bright yellow to a cool creamy peach to a warm, caramel tinged, peachy pink.

Mine is usually a very pale yellow (more like cream) and sometimes a buff color more than yellow. It does smell yummy.

Hi Eric,

I'd say it gets more "creamy peachy" here for me whey we have June Gloom, cooler foggy weather, and more pale yellow when it is hot and dry. The Judes here are not roses that have done very well for me, but I will not remove them, because when they do bloom, it's so fantastic.

My friend Hoovb who posts here sometimes has an amazing Jude...just huge, and healthy as a horse, but she's the Master Gardener! :-)

Jerome

Jerome, can you get Hoovb to post a pic of her Jude?
I think she is an awesome gardener.

It is my favorite for fragrance, I love the clean citrusy smell.

Carla

Looks peachy to me :)

I thought I'd post a couple of "baby" pictures:

Jude is in the middle, Honey Perfume on the left, Sharifa Asma baby on the right.
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Close up of Jude baby...already growing a little cane!
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Here is a closeup of Honey Perfume, looks similar to a lot of the Jude coloration I've seen...I think it'll go well with whatever color Jude gives me...and the pink of Sharifa....not to mention the fragrance!
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Eric

I agree with Jerome. Jude's color varies depending on the season and the temperature.
His fragrance is fabulous no matter what color he is displaying.

Janelle

Here is a link that might be useful: Rose Gallery pics of Jude

Thought people would like to see what was there before, I evicted Chrysler Imperial and Tiffany (I think? can't remember the pink's name) to make room. They are just now starting to leaf out again in their new home after the move....these roses smelled great too.

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Eric

Jude should look great next to Honey Perfume. I have both and don't see any reason why they would clash. My Jude is a really light peach and Honey Perfume is yellow. I would say that that is an awfully small space for Jude, but you are in zone 6 so maybe he won't get as big for you! Mine is over 7' by 4'.

Yikes! 7ft tall!...Anybody in zone 6 have a Jude that big? Thanks for the input on the color. The HT's that were in that spot definitely had some dieback every year, so I'm hoping it'll be smaller.

Eric

Just like to comment something here...I heard from a lot of people saying that new roses won't perform well in the same bed that was originally planted with roses...because old roses exhibit some type of chemicals into the soil.
As a result, the old soil needs to be dig out throughly before adding new soil. Do you think this is true?

Btw - your previous roses looked great!

Hi Devon

"Jerome, can you get Hoovb to post a pic of her Jude?" I don't know if she's got any
"I think she is an awesome gardener." Yes, she's something else

Nice photos everybody! Youngquinn, that's exactly how Jude looks here before it gets too hot, or later in autumn.

Jerome

I would define JUDE THE OBSCURE as apricot yellow, similar in hue to the Hybrid Musk BUFF BEAUTY and the classic Tea Rose LADY HILLINGDON. For a brilliant, clear canary yellow try HAPPY CHILD. It is one of the shorter English Roses with good repeat and a nice fresh fragrance. MOLINEUX is a dazzling yellow color blend that constantly shifts and shimmers within the yellow-orange range.

Hey Jimmy,

Thanks for the compliment, I do like the HTs, but by the front door is prime real estate and they were planted before I discovered OGRs/Austins. I've never heard anything about planting new roses where old ones grew. This is the first time that I'm planting new ones in an old spot, so hopefully what you heard about chemicals being exuded isn't true! I guess I'll wait and see :)

Eric

Mine is usually a pale peach, kind of buff colored. Except during the 100F temps we had. Then the blooms blushed to a deeper peachy pink.

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Anne

Eric:
My Jude is about 6' tall and about 3-4' wide. My Sharifa is about the same. I plant roses in the same soil/spot as I used for other roses, unless it was a diseased plant. I do add some more admendments to the soil. I think you will need to give your babies a little more room.

Anne, beautiful color and form on those blooms. If mine turn out looking like that, I'll consider myself lucky.

Carol, ack! Would I be completly smoking crack to think I could keep them pruned to fit the space...other than being higher maintenance, would it hurt them to keep them smaller? Could I skimp on the winter protection to ensure dieback? ;) I'd hate to move them.

When I planted them, I used some "soil conditioner" (finely shredded bark), manure, and some coffee grounds. So I think I'll be good on the soil front, from what I've found online, old beds can be a problem if the old roses were diseased or there over 10 years and "used up" all the nutrients...the previous roses were neither of these.

We have several of them here, and they're nearly always the color Youngquinn posted.

--Ron

Eric:
I guess you will have to decide if you rather trim back your roses often (I don't think it will hurt but may decrease you bloom production) or maybe move Jude to another place with more room. I don't winter protect my DAs but your Jude is just a baby so it may need a little something.
Good luck!

Hi Carol,

That's good to know about the winter protection (after it's established). I think I'm going to wait and see what happens. I'll definitely post some follow up picks...and be prepared for a "wow that's great", or an "I told you so." :)

Thanks
Eric

YOUNGQUINN, thank you for the glorious pictures of Jude.
You do indeed have a similar climate to California, so I hope
mine will grow as beautiful as yours.

Here is a shot of Jude that DH took. This rose did really well after spending its 2nd year in a container then going in the ground. It has not been as happy without the rain. The soil is so dry it won't get wet. But today we had rain. Yea!!
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Both my judes have peachy-yellow, deep yellow, pinky-yellow as in the above photos. Then, they fade to white. Not too sure I feel that they fit into my scheme of things but dh loves them and it's good enough for me.
--Lee