I think there is a difference between shade tolerant, and recommended for partial shade, which probably doesn't apply to any modern rose, unless its grown in zone 9 or 10, but not in your zone 6. I've grown Jude for 11 years in mostly sun with a little afternoon shade. I don't think it would bloom well with more shade in your zone. Jude definitely leans toward peachy/buff, rather than yellow. Diane

How many times have I shown this darn photo? Apologies. Jude is on the right.

A close up.

One more, really close up.

Diane, What stunning roses you have! I don't think anyone would complain about your sharing them more than once.

Here is what the DA website says: "The English Roses enjoy areas of partial shade, providing that there is
at least four to five hours of sunshine every day. They make a great way
to brighten up a shady area. The main thing is to take care to avoid
areas where there are overhanging branches and dry places where there
would be too much competition from the roots of other trees and shrubs.
In very hot zones some English Roses may prefer to be shaded from the
height of the midday sun."

And then they go on to list the following roses for partial shade:

Abraham Darby

Benjamin Britten

Bonica

Grace

Graham Thomas

Jude the Obscure

Kew Gardens

LD Braithwaite

Lady of Shalott

Mary Rose

Rosa Mundi

St. Swithun

Susan Williams-Ellis

Tam o'Shanter

Tess of the d'Urbervilles

The Mayflower

Winchester Cathedral

Crocus Rose

Gertrude Jekyll

Golden Celebration

Hyde Hall

James Galway

Queen of Denmark

Roseraie de l'Hay

Teasing Georgia

Thanks much Arlene. Jude isn't the greatest bloomer in the world, and I think more shade would inhibit his blooming badly. I always take what Austin's website says with a grain of salt. For instance, his size estimations, even upgraded for the U.S., are often so far off. The Jude I show is 9 feet tall, almost, in the photos. The fence/wall is a three foot base with six feet of wooden fence on top of it. He's smaller now due to some winter dieback last year, plus a rejuvenation pruning. Good luck deciding. Diane

Okay, it looks like I'll need to look at some other options besides Jude then for the spot I have in mind.

Not necessarily, Arlene, In zone 6, I think sizes of most Austins would be reasonable. Do you have any rose growers in your location that can give you advice? Austins that don't get huge for me are The Prince, Tamora, Young Lycidas, Munstead Wood; medium large are Golden Celebration, Eglantyne, Evelyn, Princes Alexandra of Kent (pretty wide, though, but not so tall). Diane

Almost fell off my chair Diane,holy cow.

Ameri I'd love too live next door than perhaps you could help out with my roses a bit. :-)

As far as the Austin roses go I would assume they could deal with less than optimal sun. England lies on a more northern latitude than the states. Which means less intense sunlight add their rainy climate it equals less sun. Just remember that Austins like any ogr takes time to do their thing. Give them a good four or five years before assuming they need more light.

ameri2nal, Thank you for the gorgeous photos, and I especially appreciate the wide shot of your beautiful border. It is so helpful to see roses (and all plants really) in context, and yours is so inspiring.

Patty, Good point about the origin of Austin roses. I have some Austins going on their third year and some going on their second, and most are subjected to a bit of shade. One of them is Benjamin Britten who shot up from a band to over 6 feet by the end of one season in the ground, which I think bodes well for him, but BB's shade tolerance seems more widely reported than either JtO or QoS.

I believe that most US zone 5 or 6 places will receive more and more intense sun (and heat) during the growing season than northern England where Austins are bred. This is just informed speculation though since I live in neither of those places although I've lived in England.

I wish my Jude look like Diane's. Mine tend to be a buttery yellow and does not have the apricot colours at all. I found it very stingy the first year but it blooms more on the second growing season. I will see how it is this upcoming season.

drooling over every picture here. Wow ladies just wow. Planting my first rose garden and there's a lot to learn. I need a rose mentor!

Thank you, jj and Danielle. Jude is a slow starter like lots of Austins, and mine also is not the most generous bloomer, except spring and late fall. But it's unique look probably will keep it in my garden where space is at a premium. Diane

These are newer pics than the ones in last years post.

Gorgeous, nanadoll!

My Judes are also very peachy, sometimes even pinky. The darker the color, the stronger the scent! However, they did get so dark that they started to look pumpkin colored but the scent was heavenly.

I do have one growing in clay that is much lighter colored than the thirteen grown in sandy soil. I wish his leaves were darker and shinier but love the flowers.

Regarding the shade, I just planted more in kind of a terrible location so will report back this year!

LL, so you have 14 Judes??? How many acres do you garden? Here, Jude's darker peach color occurs more in the fall. I think those last two photos above were taken in November. Diane

I agree that Austin promotions should be taken with a grain of salt, and Nik is right that they are usually written for conditions in England which differ a lot throughout most of the US. Darlow's Enigma is indeed a terrific rose for part shade, though not a cutting rose. Among the ones Austin lists that I have found good for shade would be Bonica, who is a non-stop pink bloomer all summer in part shade - a fabulous rose, but also not a cutting rose. Teasing Georgia also blooms OK in part shade, but it would be happier in sun.

I have two Queen of Sweden bushes, one in full sun and one in part shade, and there is a big difference in blooms between the two. The one in full sun blooms off and on all summer (not a huge bloomer but decent), and the one in part shade throws off a bloom or two here and there, some years not blooming at all. It's also a good foot or two shorter and just a wimpier plant in general.

Roses that do better in part sun in general would be the hybrid musks. I particularly like Wilhelm that adds a deep red-pink bloom in mostly shade off and on all summer and gets big. I have a lot of hybrid musks in my shade areas and they seem reasonably happy.

Cynthia

Nanadoll, how many acres is a good question, LOL! I started around the house, then down the driveways, then down around other buildings, then down another driveway..... Then realized that I can keep keep growing in the winter in the covered porches in pots...........

That sounds quite deranged, yikes! I didn't realize that roses would be this fun when I started!

Nana, How old is your specimen of Jude the obscure? I have one that's been in the ground (on fortuniana) for about 2 years now and its literally 2 twigs about 3 feet tall. Sigh :(

Its listed on the roses recommended for Florida, but its never done well for me. Its the third one I've tried. I'm obsessed with trying to grow it, but alas I'm about to give up. I'll stick with Pat, Abe and Heritage who have grown well for me (to name a few).

SoFL, I wonder if Jude grows better on own root as long is the soil is loamy enough? I know a few people that have complained about it grafted but thought that they had no other choice in their hot climate.

Heritage has much better foliage and also seems to love the shade here. But the scent isn't as strong for me as Jude.

Hmm. I could try growing her own root. I have always grown her on fortuniana. I wonder...

SoFL, I have been growing this Jude since March 2005, so it will start its 13th year in March. Mine is grafted on Dr Huey. My Jude took about three years to come into its own, and maybe another year to really start getting big. I remember being shocked when it zoomed up because it had been slow before that. The landscapers did an awful job of planting Jude and some other roses when we first moved out here. I think that contributed to its slow start. I was sick at the time and didn't monitor that situation enough. I would never have had them plant any roses had I known how sloppy and incompetent they were. Diane

Diane, I hope one day you will start a webpage/journal about your garden. I find your paradise in the desert mesmerizing. Your pics never disappoints. You give me such inspiration over the years to try growing roses. If you can do it with the many challenges in the desert, I don't see why I can't either. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks, jjpeace. That is pretty flattering. I think the closest I'd ever come to a journal is the seasonal threads on the Forum we have going. And I'm behind right now. Things have really been boring in the garden during this long winter, but I'm going out to do some clean up tomorrow, and I don't care if I get my pant legs wet. I won't be walking in the flower beds, though, but the grass is still wet (and cold). Are you gardening in a desert? I know Canada has prairies, but I wasn't aware of desert. I guess if rainfall is small enough, it's a desert! We are currently ahead of normal in precipitation because of the record breaking snowfall we just had. The snowpack is in good shape, and they are releasing some excess water from behind the dam. This will increase the water flow in the Boise River. No snow on the ground here, though. It's melted away. Yay! Diane

I am definitely nowhere near the desert or prairie. I live in the city that was just a growing town a few years ago. I got a postage stamp backyard. I am a spoiled gardener with the nearest garden nursery just 15 minutes..lol.

One of the reasons I keep visiting this forum is reading about gardeners like yourself, Diane whose growing conditions is very different than me. There is nothing more beautiful to see gardens growing all over the world. Rose people are really the most beautiful people in the world. Appropriately, I am listening to the song "somewhere out there", thinking of all of you out there.