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roses for bees

14 years ago

This may seem a strange question, but I would like to know easy-care roses that are favored by bees. Do you have some roses that the bees love? Thanks! :)

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jerijen
14 years ago
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They may make little or no change to the honey at all.

*** Well, that makes sense. But, then, if that's so, why do they sell honey specifically from bees working certain sorts of plants?

Like, you see "Clover Honey," or "Sage Honey," and around here you see a lot of "Avocado Honey," and "Orange Honey."
Is that just hype?

Jeri
lucretia1
14 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
There seems to be a difference in the way the honeys taste, so maybe more than hype. Or maybe just the way it's processed and the power of suggestion.

We found it really interesting that different kinds of bees really seemed to prefer different roses. We had several different types of bumblers, but a particular rose would have one kind while its neighbor had another.

Eric, here's some proof for your rose club speaker. We could actually hear the bees from a fair distance away. The bushes were covered, and they were all going "MmmmmMMMMmmmmMMM!!!!!" (at least that's what it sounded like!) They were totally non-aggressive, and let us get up close and personal to take some pictures.

Sweet Briar & Bee:

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Unknown (was supposed to be moyesii "Geranium") & Bee:

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James Mason & Bee

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The bees on poppies were a completely different type, and didn't seem to care much for the roses when poppies were available, but would drift over for an occasional palate cleanser. (I love the black bees on the orange flowers!)

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MIN/MINFL SINGLE BLOOM--Peggy "T"-- Bronitsky, Ron (3) MIN/MINFL BLOOMS--Autumn Splendor-- Bronitsky, Ron (3) MIN/MINFL SPRAYS--Gourmet Popcorn--Lucero, John & CJ MIN/MINFL FULLY OPEN--Make Believe-- Ortega, Juanita & J. MIN/MINFL ENGLISH BOX--Green Ice--Iversen, Jody & Jen MINI ROSE BOWL--BeeÂs Knees--Iversen, Jody & Jen MINI SPRAY-Gourmet Popcorn--Lucero, John & CJ FRAMED ROSE--Altissimo--Lucero, John & CJ NOVICE--Chrysler Imperial--Rose Jo JUNIORS--Home Run--Iversen, Zack FRAGRANT ROSE--Pope John Paul II-- MINI OR MINFL--PikeÂs Peak-- ROYAL NATIONAL ROSE SOCIETY--Mermaid--Graham, Susan ANTIQUE TAPESTRY--Golden Wings--Ortega, Juanita & J. GARDENERÂS DELIGHT--Paul Ecke Jr.--Ortega, Joaquin & J. EXHIBITORS DREAM-- Mermaid--Graham, Susan ******************************************* OMAHA ROSE SOCIETY OMAHA, NE 6-6-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Moonstone--Shaw, Ron KING OF SHOW--Lynn Anderson--Shaw, Ron PRINCESS OF SHOW--Gemini--Swanson, Don & Joan ROYAL COURT--Signature--Swanson, Don & Joan ROYAL COURT--Marilyn Monroe-- Swanson, Don & Joan ROYAL COURT--Miss Elvis-- Shaw, Ron ROYAL COURT--Black Magic-- Shaw, Ron ROYAL COURT--Touch of Class-- Shaw, Ron ROYAL COURT--Mavrik-- Shaw, Ron ROYAL COURT--VeteranÂs Honor--Eckley, Mike &Anita FL. QUEEN--Playboy-- Swanson, Don & Joan FL.KING--LivenÂ Easy-- Eckley, Mike &Anita FL.PRINCESS--Hannah Gordon-- COURT--Europeana-- Shaw, Ron COURT--Sentimental-- Moore, Brendan COURT--Sexy Rexy-- Cates, Doug & Karen FL. ONE BLOOM PER STEM--Day Breaker-- Swanson, Don & Joan POLYANTHA SPRAY--Wing-Ding-- Eckley, Mike &Anita GENESIS AWARD--Rosa Gallica versicolor-- Moore, Brendan DOWAGER QUEEN--Conte de Chambord--Fischer, Dixie VICTORIAN AWARD--Rose de Rescht-- Cates, Doug & Karen CLIMBER--America-- Eckley, Mike &Anita MODERN SHRUB--Morden Belle-- Eckley, Mike &Anita MINI QUEEN--This is the Day-- Cates, Doug & Karen MINI KING--Louis Desamero-- Swanson, Don & Joan MINI PRINCESS--Fairhope-- Swanson, Don & Joan MINI COURT--Miss Flippins--- Swanson, Don & Joan MINI COURT--Irresistible--- Swanson, Don & Joan MINI COURT--Dreamer--- Swanson, Don & Joan MINI COURT--Millie Walters-- Swanson, Don & Joan MINI COURT--Hot Tamale---Cadwalader, Bill & Marilyn MINI COURT--Pierrine--Moore, Brendan, MINI COURT--BeeÂs Knees--- Cates, Doug & Karen MINI SPRAY---Arcanum---Cates, Doug & Karen MINFL SPRAY--Best of Â04-- Eckley, Mike &Anita (Min ?) ********************************************** HUNTSVILLE-TWICKENHAM ROSE SOCIETY HUNTSVILLE, AL 6-5-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Hot Princess-- Chappell, Bill & Jill KING OF SHOW--VeteranÂs Honor-- Chappell, Bill & Jill PRINCESS OF SHOW--Touch of Class--Chappell, Bill & Jill ROYAL COURT--Gemini-- Chappell, Bill & Jill ROYAL COURT--Louise Estes-- Chappell, Bill & Jill ROYAL COURT--Mu Lan-- Chappell, Bill & Jill FL. QUEEN---Dream Waltz-- Gibson, Suzanne POLYANTHA SPRAY--Gabrielle Privat--Gibson, Suzanne MINI QUEEN--Josh Alonso--Clemons, David & Tammy MINI KING--Arcanum-- Clemons, David & Tammy MINI PRINCESS--Joy---Chappell, Bill & Jill MINI COURT--Nancy Jean--- Clemons, David & Tammy MINI COURT--Fairhope--- Chappell, Bill & Jill MINI COURT--Toy Clown-- Gibson, Suzanne MINI SPRAY--Joy-- Chappell, Bill & Jill MINIFL QUEEN--Conundrum--Chappell, Bill & Jill MINIFL KING--Whirlaway-- Clemons, David & Tammy MINIFL PRINCESS--Ferrin--Kelley, Edna MINFL COURT--Cachet---Clemons, David & Tammy MINFL COURT--Jerry Lynn-- Chappell, Bill & Jill MINFL COURT--Class of Â73-- Chappell, Bill & Jill **************************************** DELAWARE AREA ROSE SOCIETY DELAWARE OH 6-5-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Hot Princess--Ackers, David & Lois KING OF SHOW--Table Mountain-- Ackers, David & Lois PRINCESS OF SHOW--Moonstone--Zimmerman, Barbara & Jim ROYAL COURT--Folklore--Hering, Anne & Jim ROYAL COURT--Cesar E. Chavez-- Miller, Mark ROYAL COURT--Tahitian Sunset--- Schock, Larry FL.PRINCESS--Summer Fashion-- Hering, Anne & Jim FL. ONE BLOOM PER STEM-Hannah Gordon--Smith, Elton DOWAGER QUEEN--Mme Hardy--Solarz, Bill & Anita VICTORIAN AWARD--Sombreuil-- Solarz, Bill & Anita (LCl) CLIMBER--AMERICA-- Hering, Anne & Jim SHRUB--Allie--Edwards, David MINI QUEEN--Joy-- Zimmerman, Barbara & Jim MINI KING--BeeÂs Knees-- Miller, Mark MINI PRINCESS --- Solarz, Bill & Anita MINI SPRAY--Sop. International-- Smith, Elton MINIFL QUEEN--First and Foremost--- Hering, Anne & Jim MINIFL KING--Dr John Dickman-- Smith, Elton MINIFL PRINCESS--Butter Cream-- Schock, Larry MINFL SPRAY--Ricky Hendrick--Miller, Mark **************************************** CHARLESTON ROSE SOCIETY CHARLESTON, WV 6-6-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Parole--Grass, Lynda & Steven KING OF SHOW--Desperado-- Grass, Lynda & Steven PRINCESS OF SHOW--Dublin-- Grass, Lynda & Steven ROYAL COURT--Randy Scott--McFadden, Phyllis ROYAL COURT--Hot Princess-- McFadden, Phyllis ROYAL COURT--Marilyn Monroe-- Fleek, John & Diana ROYAL COURT-- Moonstone-- Grass, Lynda & Steven ROYAL COURT--Gemini--Grass, Lynda & Steven ROYAL COURT--Snuffy- McFadden, Phyllis FL. QUEEN--Eye Paint-- Fleek, John & Diana FL. ONE BLOOM PER STEM--Sunsilk--Grass, Lynda & Steven POLYANTHA SPRAY--The Fairy-- Rankin, Gary & Monica MODERN SHRUB--Golden Wings-- Rankin, Gary & Monica DOWAGER QUEEN--Rosa rugosa--Hanlon, Dick VICTORIAN AWARD--Nastarana--Fleek, John & Diana CLIMBER--America-- Hanlon, Dick MODERN SHRUB--Golden Wings--Rankin, Gary & Monica MINI QUEEN--Dancing Flame-- Grass, Lynda & Steven MINI KING--Nancy Jean-- Grass, Lynda & Steven MINI PRINCESS--Ty--Grass, Lynda & Steven MINI COURT--Glowing Amber-- Grass, Lynda & Steven MINI COURT--Irresistible-- Fleek, John & Diana MINIFL QUEEN--Equinox-- Grass, Lynda & Steven MINIFL KING--Solar Flair-- Grass, Lynda & Steven MINIFL PRINCESS--Double Take--Grass, Lynda & Steven MINFL COURT--Dr John Dickman-- Grass, Lynda & Steven MINFL COURT--First Choice-- Grass, Lynda & Steven MINFL SPRAY---Caledonia-- Grass, Lynda & Steven **************************************** INDIANAPOLIS ROSE SOCIETY INDIANAPOLIS, IN 6-12-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW-- Dublin--Hefner, John & Donna KING OF SHOW-- Moonstone-- Hefner, John & Donna PRINCESS OF SHOW--Mavrik-- Hefner, John & Donna FL. QUEEN--St John--Nolen, Mark & Cathy FL.KING-- Sunsilk-- Nolen, Mark & Cathy FL.PRINCESS--Stadt den Helder- Nolen, Mark & Cathy FL. ONE BLOOM PER STEM--Johnny Becnel--Lafollette, Renee CLASSIC SHRUB--Snow Pavement-- Kimmel, Linda GENESIS AWARD--Rosa rugosa rubra--Kimmel, Linda CLIMBER--Excelsa--Carlson, Bill MINI QUEEN--Best of Â04-- Hefner, John & Donna MINI KING--Sop. International-- Hefner, John & Donna MINI PRINCESS--Mobile Jubilee-- Hefner, John & Donna MINI SPRAY--Chattooga-- Hefner, John & Donna MINIFL QUEEN--Dr Troy Garret-- Hefner, John & Donna MINIFL KING--Whirlaway-- Hefner, John & Donna MINIFL PRINCESS--Liberty Bell-- Hefner, John & Donna **************************************** DES MOINES ROSE SOCIETY DES MOINES, IA 6-12-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW-- Marilyn Monroe--Morlok, Ron KING OF SHOW-- Liebeszauber--Miller, Mark PRINCESS OF SHOW--Sunstruck-- Osborn, Gary & Linda ROYAL COURT--Table Mountain-- Osborn, Gary & Linda ROYAL COURT--Moonstone-- Osborn, Gary & Linda ROYAL COURT--Commonwealth Glory--McCann, Jim ROYAL COURT--MarlonÂs Day-- McCann, Jim ROYAL COURT--Black Magic--Mack, Andy ROYAL COURT--Folklore- Mack, Andy FL. QUEEN--Little Darling-- Pagliai, Ed & Dee FL. ONE BLOOM PER STEM--Day Breaker-- McCann, Jim POLYANTHA SPRAY--Wing-Ding-- Osborn, Gary & Linda DOWAGER QUEEN--Marches Boccella--Godfred, Clif & Margie CLIMBER--ThatÂs Jazz--Osborn, Gary & Linda CLASSIC SHRUB--Erfurt-- Godfred, Clif & Margie MODERN SHRUB--Quietness-- Godfred, Clif & Margie MINI QUEEN--Power Point-- Osborn, Gary & Linda (MinFl ?) MINI KING--Irresistible-- Pagliai, Ed & Dee MINI PRINCESS--Charismatic--Osborn, Gary & Linda (MinFl ?) MINI COURT--Olympic Gold--Osborn, Gary & Linda (MinFl?) MINI COURT-- Best of Â04--Godfred, Clif & Margie MINI COURT--First and Foremost-- Godfred, Clif & Margie (MinFl ?) MINI COURT--Little Jimmy Dickens--Godfred, Clif & Margie MINI COURT--Tennessee Waltz-- Godfred, Clif & Margie MINI COURT--Unbridled-- Godfred, Clif & Margie (MinFl ?) MINFL SPRAY--Michel Cholet--Pagliai, Ed & Dee *********************************************** COLUMBUS ROSE SOCIETY COLUMBUS, OH 6-12-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW-- Moonstone--Ackers, David, & Lois KING OF SHOW--Cajun Moon--Zimmerman, Barbara & Jim PRINCESS OF SHOW-- Hot Princess-- Ackers, David, & Lois ROYAL COURT--Stainless Steel- Ackers, David, & Lois ROYAL COURT-- Sunstruck--Hering, Jim & Anne ROYAL COURT--Helen Naude-- Ackers, David, & Lois FL. QUEEN--Sexy Rexy-- Smith, Elton FL. ONE BLOOM PER STEM--Moondance-- Schock, Larry POLYANTHA SPRAY--Red Fairy-- Smith, Elton VICTORIAN AWARD--Zepherine Drouhin-- Smith, Elton CLIMBER--Night Owl--Frick, Bud MODERN SHRUB--Teasing Georgia--Lady, Randy & Terri MINI QUEEN--Nancy Jean-- Frick, Bud MINI KING--Sop. International-- Ackers, David, & Lois MINI PRINCESS--Luis Desamero--Miller, Mark MINI COURT--Emma Grace--Wood, Tom MINI COURT--Joy-- Zimmerman, Barbara & Jim MINI COURT--Best of Â04-- Hering, Jim & Anne MINFL SPRAY---ChildÂs Play-- Smith, Elton MINIFL QUEEN--Dr John Dickman--Smith, Elton MINIFL KING--Lady EÂowyn-- Zimmerman, Barbara & Jim MINIFL PRINCESS--Tiffany Lynn-- Lady, Randy & Terri MINFL COURT--First and Foremost-- Hering, Jim & Anne MINFL COURT--Memphis King-- Zimmerman, Barbara & Jim MINFL COURT--AbbyÂs Angel--Smith, Elton MINFL SPRAY--Butter Cream--Schock, Larry ************************************** ROGUE VALLEY ROSE SOCIETY GRANTÂS PASS OR 6-12-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW-- Harvey, Harry & Jacque KING OF SHOW--Olympiad-- Jennings, George PRINCESS OF SHOW--Rio Samba-- Harvey, Harry & Jacque BEST HT/GR SPRAY--Frankerfeld-- Harvey, Harry & Jacque BEST RED HT--Olympiad--Jennings, George BEST WHITE HT--Pristine--Harvey, Harry & Jacque UNKNOW ROSE--Gaines M. & Tully M. BEST HT,CL HT, GR--Love Potion--Brucher, Georgia HT/GR SPRAY--Gemini-- Harvey, Harry & Jacque (5) HT/GR VASE--Sunset Celebration--Harvey, Harry & Jacque FRAGRANT HT ROSE--Mister Lincoln--Thiene, Frank HT FULLY OPEN--Tropicana-Gaines M. & Tully M. (3) FL SPRAYS--Sexy Rexy--Brown. Paul BEST FL SINGLE/SEMI DBL--Matangi-- Jennings, George BEST FL--Apricot Nectar-- Jennings, George FL CYCLE OF BLOOM--Olympiad-- Jennings, George CLIMBER--Berries ÂNÂ Cream--Jennings, George COLORAMA-- Harvey, Harry & Jacque EXHIBITION ROSE IN A BOWL--Toreador--Drevenstadt, Annabelle DECORATIVE ROSE IN A BOWL--Graham Thomas--Gaines & Tully M. DOWAGER QUEEN--Reine des Violettes--Grieves, Patricia VICTORIAN AWARD--Variegata di Bologna-- Peden, Larry (3) OGRs--Baron Girod de LÂAin--Jennings, Mary MODERN SHRUB BLOOM--All That Jazz--Jennings, George MODERN SHRUB SPRAY--Stretch Johnson---Jennings, George CLASSIC SHRUB--Cornelia--Clark, Linnea DAVID AUSTIN TYPE--L. D. Braithwaite--Jennings, George (3) Modern Shrubs--Jude the Obscure--Powell, Suzy MINI QUEEN -- Fairhope-- Smith, Dennis MINI KING -- Pauline-- Smith, Dennis MINI PRINCESS--- Erin Alonso-- Smith, Dennis MINI ROSE BOWL--Dancing Flame--Zerwer, Mike BEST DECORATIVE MINI ROSE--Sun Sprinkles-- Jennings, Mary MINI CYCLE OF BLOOM--Fairhope-- Jennings, Mary MINI SPRAY-Nickelodeon--Smith, Dennis MINFLORA QUEEN-- Dr John Dickman--Smith, Dennis MINFLORA KING--Memphis Music-- Jennings, Mary MINFLORA PRINCESS--FitzhughÂs Diamond-- Jennings, Mary MINFLORA ROSE BOWL--Dr John Dickman-- Smith, Dennis ******************************************* WARREN ROSE SOCIETY NILES, OH 6-12-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Memorial Day--Taylor, Rose & Tom KING OF SHOW--Pristine--Davison, Susan FL QUEEN--Julia Child-- Yova, Tim FL BLOOM--Mardi Gras-- Taylor, Rose & Tom POLYANTHA SPRAY--Orange Morsdag-- Taylor, Rose & Tom DOWAGER QUEEN--Rosa Gallica Officinalis-- Yova, Tim VICTORIAN AWARD--Pink Grootendorst--Toth, Joe & Bonnie CLIMBER--New Dawn--Taylor, Rose & Tom CLASSIC SHRUB--Robin Hood-- Taylor, Rose & Tom MINI QUEEN--Snow Bride--Davison, Susan MINI KING--Cupcake--Toth, Joe & Bonnie MINI PRINCESS--Hot Tamale--Davison, Susan MINI SPRAY---Popcorn--Taylor, Rose & Tom ******************************************** IDAHO ROSE SOCIETY BOISE, ID 6-12-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Double Delight--Martin, Don KING OF SHOW--Harry Wheatcroft-- Martin, Don PRINCESS OF SHOW--Pink Peace-- Martin, Don FL BLOOM--Terrazza Corazon--Talsma, Diane SHRUB--Crown Princess Margareta--Gonzalez, Anita MINI QUEEN--Aristocrat--Bush, Gayle MINI KING--Kristin--Skelton, Warren MINI PRINCESS--Coffee Bean--Dohmen, Amy MINIFL QUEEN--Focal Point-- Skelton, Warren MINIFL KING--Edisto--Skelton, Warren MINIFL PRINCESS--Deja Blu--Skelton, Warren ********************************************** DETROIT ROSE SOCIETY TROY, MI 6-12-2010 POLYANTHA SPRAY-Verdun--Seil, SEEDLING--Morning Jewel X Unknown--Seil, MINI COURT--Iced Raspberry, Seil, ARRAGEMENT--Rural Rhythm--Seil, **************************************** YORK AREA ROSE SOCIETY NEW OXFORD, PA 6-12-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Mavrik--Wrightstone, Michael KING OF SHOW--VeteranÂs Honor--Bixler, George PRINCESS OF SHOW--St Patrick-- Wrightstone, Mary Jane FL QUEEN--Sexy Rexy-- Wrightstone, Michael FL KING--Heartbeat-- Wrightstone, Michael FL PRINCESS--Hannah Gordon-- Wrightstone, Michael FL BLOOM--Matilda--Walsh, David POLYANTHA SPRAY--Dick Koster Fulgens--JohnÂs Terri DOWAGER QUEEN--Charles de Mills-- Walsh, David VICTORIAN AWARD--Zepherine Drouhin-- Walsh, David CLIMBER--Scarlet Star--Redington, Joseph & Nancy CLASSIC SHRUB--Lavender Lassie-- Walsh, David MODERN SHRUB--KordesÂ Brilliant-- Wrightstone, Michael MINI QUEEN--Giggles--Wade, Don & Laura MINI KING--Luis Desamero--Smith, Glen & Donna MINI PRINCESS--Sop, International-- Bixler, George MINIFL QUEEN--Butter Cream-- Wrightstone, Michael MINIFL KING--Powerhouse-- Smith, Glen & Donna MINIFL PRINCESS--Robin Alonso-- Wade, Don & Laura WESTERN RESERVE ROSE SOCIETY PARMA, OH 6-13-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Gemini-- Jacko, Patti KING OF SHOW--Pearl Essense-- Jacko, Patti PRINCESS OF SHOW--Perfectly Red-- Jacko, Patti ROYAL COURT--Dublin--Jacko, Patti ROYAL COURT--Polarstern-- Jacko, Patti FL. QUEEN--Nicole--Jacko, Patti MINI QUEEN--Dr John Dickman-- Jacko, Patti (Min Fl ?) MINI KING--Yellow Bird-- Jacko, Patti (Min Fl ?) MINI PRINCESS--Arcanum-- Jacko, Patti MINI COURT--Bonfire-- Jacko, Patti MINI COURT--Sop. International--Jacko, Patti MINI COURT--Whirlaway--Jacko, Patti (Min Fl ?) MIXED CLASS--Jacko, Patti ******************************************* ROSE BOWL--VeteranÂs Honor--Lau Zack HT FULL BLOWN--Pop Warner-- Lau Zack MINI COURT--Heather Sproul-- Lau Zack MINI FULL BLOWN--Autumn Splendor-- Lau Zack (MinFl ?) MINFLORA FULL BLOWN--Double Take-- Lau Zack GENESIS--R Gallica Officinalis-- Lau Zack MINI PRINCESS--Chattooga--Lau Zack VICTORIAN AWARD--Rose de Rescht--Lau Zack ******************************************** METROPOLITAN ROSE SOCIETY ROSEVILLE, MI 6-19-2010 POLYANTHA SPRAY-Verdun--Seil, SEEDLING--Lynnie X Unknown--Seil, MINI COURT--Iced Raspberry--Seil, ****************************************** GRAND VALLEY ROSE SOCIETY GRAND RAPIDS, MI 6-19-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Gemini-- Wiley, Art & Joan KING OF SHOW--BrooksÂ Red--Blok, Bill & Irma PRINCESS OF SHOW--Folklore-- Blok, Bill & Irma ROYAL COURT--Sunstruck-- Blok, Bill & Irma ROYAL COURT--Marilyn Monroe-- Blok, Bill & Irma ROYAL COURT--Kardinal-- Blok, Bill & Irma ROYAL COURT--Touch of Class--Otter, Gordon & Alice FL QUEEN--Sexy Rexy-- Blok, Bill & Irma FL BLOOM--SheilaÂs Perfume-- Blok, Bill & Irma VICTORIAN AWARD--Baron Girod de LÂAin--Wier, Jon & Lois CLIMBER--Fourth of July--Schumaker, Harlan & Kay MINI QUEEN--Florida International-- Wier, Jon & Lois MINI KING--BeeÂs Knees-- Otter, Gordon & Alice MINI PRINCESS--Irresistible-- Wiley, Art & Joan MINI COURT--Jean Kenneally-- Otter, Gordon & Alice MINI COURT--Sweet Melody-- Otter, Gordon & Alice MINI COURT--Sweet Revenge-- Otter, Gordon & Alice MINI COURT--Erin Alonso-- Blok, Bill & Irma MINIFL QUEEN--Mr Lenard-- Schumaker, Harlan & Kay MINIFL KING--Power Point-- Schumaker, Harlan & Kay MINIFL PRINCESS--Blue Suede Shoes-- Blok, Bill & Irma MINFL COURT--FitzhughÂs Diamond-- Schumaker, Harlan & Kay MINFL COURT--Tiffany Lynn-- Schumaker, Harlan & Kay MINFL COURT--Amy Grant--Kelbel, Jon & Rosemary MINFL COURT--Ambiance-- Blok, Bill & Irma IOWA ROSE SOCIETY AMES, IA 6-19-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW-Die Welt--Morlok, Ron & Jane KING OF SHOW--Black Magic--Osborn, Gary & Linda PRINCESS OF SHOW--Gold Medal--Pagliai, Ed & Dee ROYAL COURT--Let Freedom Ring-- Pagliai, Ed & Dee ROYAL COURT--Louise Estes- Pagliai, Ed & Dee ROYAL COURT--Lynn Anderson-- Pagliai, Ed & Dee ROYAL COURT--Dainty Bess--Godfrey, Clif & Margie (Single ? ) ROYAL COURT--Dream Comes True-- Godfrey, Clif & Margie ROYAL COURT--Esther Geldenhuys-- Osborn, Gary & Linda FL QUEEN--Hannah Gordon-- Morlok, Ron & Jane FL BLOOM--Pasadena Star-- Godfrey, Clif & Margie POLYANTHA SPRAY--Mile Cecile Brunner-- Godfrey, Clif & Margie DOWAGER QUEEN--Marches Boccella-- Godfrey, Clif & Margie CLIMBER--ThatÂs Jazz--Osborn, Gary & Linda MODERN SHRUB--Sally Holmes--Morlok, Ron & Jane MINI QUEEN--Baldo Villegas--Osborn, Gary & Linda (MINFL ?) MINI KING--Sop. International-- Osborn, Gary & Linda MINI PRINCESS--Best of Â04-- Godfrey, Clif & Margie MINI COURT--Eternity--Godfrey Osborn, Gary & Linda (MINFL ?) MINI COURT--Foolish Pleasure-- Osborn, Gary & Linda (MINFL ?) MINI COURT--Mr Lenard-- Osborn, Gary & Linda (MINFL ?) MINI COURT--Nemesis-- Osborn, Gary & Linda (MINFL ?) MINI COURT--Olympic Gold--Osborn, Gary & Linda (MINFL ?) MINI COURT--Old Glory-- Pagliai, Ed & Dee MINI SPRAY---Chelsea Belle- Godfrey, Clif & Margie ***************************************** CLEVELAND/ NORTHEASTERN OHIO ROSE SOCIETY MENTOR, OH 6-19-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW-- European Touch--Schneider, Susan & Peter KING OF SHOW--Gemini-- Schneider, Susan & Peter PRINCESS OF SHOW--Marilyn Monroe-- St. James, Chuck ROYAL COURT--Parole--St. James, Chuck HT SPRAY--Captain Thomas-- Schneider, Susan & Peter HT FLOATING ROSE--Artic Circle-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. GR SPRAY--Quaker Star-- Schneider, Susan & Peter (3) SAME HT OR GR--Moonstone-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. (3) Different HT OR GR--Preneta, Stanley (5) DIFFERENT HT OR GR-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. MIXED HT, GR, & FL--St. James, Chuck FL QUEEN--Anabell--Schroeck, Cal (3) FL SPRAYS--Sexy Rexy-- St. James, Chuck SINGLE FL BLOOM--Stadt den Helder--St. James, Chuck (Double ?) SINGLE OR SEMI DBL--Altissimo--Schneider, S. P. (Climber ?) POLYANTHA SPRAY--Clotilde Soupert--Richard, A. & Vance, K. GENESIS AWARD--R. Arkansana Peppermint-- Schneider, S & P. DOWAGER QUEEN--Baron Prevost-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. VICTORIAN AWARD--Pink Surprise-- Schneider, Susan & Peter CLIMBER--Lori-- Schroeck, Cal CLASSIC SHRUB--Dortmund--Evans, Neil MODERN SHRUB--Be-Bop--Richard, A. & Vance, K. MINI QUEEN--Joy-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. MINI KING--Moonlight and Roses-- St. James, Chuck MINI PRINCESS--Nancy Jean-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. MINI COURT--Erin Alonzo-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. MINI SINGLE--Simple Splendor-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. MINI CYCLE OF BLOOM--Shameless-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. MINI SPRAY--Incognito--Schroeck, Cal MINI ENGLISH BOX--Irresistible-- St. James, Chuck MINI ROSE BOWL--Memphis King-- St. James, Chuck (MinFl?) (3) MINIÂs DIFFERENT--St. James, Chuck (5) MINIÂs DIFFERENT-- St. James, Chuck MINI/MINIFL BOUQUET OF ROSES-- Richard, A. & Vance, K. MINIFL QUEEN--First Choice--St. James, Chuck MINIFL KING--Leading Lady--St. James, Chuck MINIFL PRINCESS--Roxie--Richard, A. & Vance, K. MINFL FULLY OPEN--Luscious Lucy--Richard, A. & Vance, K. MINIFL COURT--Edisto- Richard, A. & Vance, K. (5) MINIFLÂs SAME--Shameless--Richard, A. & Vance, K. SEEDLING-- Schroeck, Cal UNIDENTIFIED ROSE--Fill, Dorothy MAGIC OF ROSES--Dublin--Richard, A. & Vance, K. JERABEK ROSE--SusanÂs Sister--Schroeck, Cal FULL BLOWN--Artistry--Preneta, Stanley FRAGRANT ROSE--Sharifa Asma--Thacker, Corky BEST OF SHOW--European Touch--Schneider, Susan & Peter JUDGES AWARD--Dr John Dickman--Hering, Jim & Anne *********************************************** LOWER CAPE ROSE SHOW SANDWICH, MA 6-26-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Elizabeth Park Centennial--Zack Lou & Mary MINI QUEEN--Liberty Bell--Zack, Lou & Mary MINIFL QUEEN--Chattooga--Zack, Lou & Mary ******************************************** FOX RIVER VALLEY ROSE SOCIETY CARPENTERSVILLE, IL 6-26-2010 QUEEN OF SHOW--Double Delight-- Eckersberg, Bruce & Carrie KING OF SHOW--Folklore-- Ewaldz, Jean & Mary PRINCESS OF SHOW--Marilyn Monroe-- Knox, Mary HT/GR SPRAY--Falling in Love--Ewaldz, Jean & Mary HT/GR OPEN BLOOM--Marilyn Monroe-- Ewaldz, Jean & Mary HT ENGLISH BOX--VeteranÂs Honor-Ewaldz, Jean & Mary HT FLOATING ROSE-- VeteranÂs Honor-Ewaldz, Jean & Mary LG OPEN FLOATING ROSE--Light my Fire--Carlson, Brenda LG ROSE BOUQUET--Ewaldz, Jean & Mary FL QUEEN--Lavaglut-- Rhoades, Scott FL KING--Hot Cocoa--Latta, Joyce FL BLOOM--Ann Harkness--Knox, Mary FL ARTIST PALLET-- Ewaldz, Jean & Mary HT FLOATING ROSE-- VeteranÂs Honor--Ewaldz, Jean & Mary POLYANTHA SPRAY--Orange Triumph--Latta, Joyce VICTORIAN AWARD-- Rose de Rescht-- Ewaldz, Jean & Mary CLIMBER--Penny Lane--Knox, Mary CLASSIC SHRUB--F. J. Grootendorst--Eckersberg, Bruce & Carrie MODERN SHRUB--Quietness--Ewaldz, Jean & Mary MINI QUEEN--Chelsea Belle-- Rhoades, Scott MINI SPRAY---Green Ice-- Eckersberg, Bruce & Carrie SM. EX FLOATING ROSE--Power Point--Rhoades, Scott SM. OPEN FLOATING ROSE-- Power Point--Rhoades, Scott NOVICE--Dream Comes True--Carlson, Brenda FRAGRANT ROSE--Heirloom--Gannon, Mark BEST IN SHOW--Falling in Love--Ewaldz, Jean & Mary JUDGES AWARD--Radox Bouquet--Andy Plasz **********************************************
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The Wedgewood Rose and The Mayflower
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Great shot of the bee coming in for a landing krista! I don't know what it is, I'm terrified of bees flying around, but love seeing them on flowers! Great rose pics too:) Tammy
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roses...snow is coming!!
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Carol: skip anything with bone-meal, multiflora-root can't digest solid stuff, plus multiflora-root branch best, and bloom best with higher phosphorus ratio. Use SOLUBLE phosphorus, as in 4 part chicken manure. Use 1 part SOLUBLE sulfate of potash, but balance that with 1/2 part SLOW-RELEASED rock-dust or dolomitic lime to neutralize acidic rain. In hot summer with alkaline tap water, use 1/2 part gypsum or a layer of acidic alfalfa on top of pots. It's OK for the pH to be over 7.5, but the nutrients HAVE TO BE IN SOLUBLE FORM. COPPER is essential for blooming, only available if chelated to organic, thus chicken manure is a must. It's high in zinc, copper, boron which are less available at higher pH. Keep the soil loamy and fluffy for multiflora-rootstock, so roots can do acid-phosphatase. Since multiflora is a cluster-root, it has a higher demand for SOLUBLE phosphorus. My experience with multiflora-parentage roses, such as own-root Lady of shallot .. that came from Roses Unlimited with zero blooms, but really thick leaves. When high-potassium is used to thicken the leaves, that push down phosphorus, which is VERY ESSENTIAL for branching, as in multiflora's cluster root. Lady of Shalott refused to bloom in my alkaline clay, since phosphorus is less available at higher pH. I gave it acidic SOLUBLE fertilizer NPK 5-3-2, plus sulfate of potash. Phosphorus at 3 isn't high enough. So I STOPPED sulfate of potash, and gave it high-phosphorus chicken manure NPK 2-4-3, plus acidic grass clippings and alfalfa, and I saw branching with buds.
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york_rose
14 years ago
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Like, you see "Clover Honey," or "Sage Honey," and around here you see a lot of "Avocado Honey," and "Orange Honey."
Is that just hype?

No, it's not hype (at least not to me). To my tongue there are real differences in taste. For instance, to my tongue orange blossom honey has a slightly sweeter and slightly "cleaner" and lighter taste than clover honey. Somehow there's something less "grassy" about the flavor of orange blossom honey, and I prefer that.

I'm not 100% sure how those designations come to be, but I assume that if it says "orange blossom honey" it means that the hives from which the honey was drawn had recently been working in orange groves, and likewise clover fields for clover honey.

There is no question that the flowers of some plants do indeed produce nectar, sometimes in large quantities. It's just that what I recall reading is that rose flowers aren't among those flowers that offer much nectar. If I recall correctly, then what mainly attracts bees to rose flowers isn't the nectar, but the pollen. Bees, and certainly honey bees & bumble bees, need both nectar and also pollen for both provide them with essential nutrients and neither by itself is a complete food source.
cincy_city_garden
14 years ago
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Lucretia,

Thanks for the pictures. I have about 90% "bumblers" (love that word) in my yard. They've got the muscle to push their way into the many petalled old roses, although I did see a honeybee trying her darnedest to get inside a La France bloom...bless her heart :)

Eric
serenasyh
14 years ago
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heeeeelp Honey bee, bumblebee lovers! Are there any rugosas out there (need prolific bloomers and prefer either yellow, oranges, peaches or pinks) that bees are crazy about?
serenasyh
14 years ago
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Intense fragrance is another requirement for the rugosa...(p.s. pinks do not include dark magenta pinks--I am wanting softer colors)
york_rose
14 years ago
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I think you may have some difficulty finding the flower colors you're looking for among the rugosas. Even R. rugosa alba is a brilliant white with no hint of peach or ivory (unusual in a white rose), and the pinks (the more common rugosa colors) are usually at least slightly lavender or magenta.

You might check out Fru Dagmar Hastrup.

More generally, my guess is that if you want a peach colored rose that attracts bees you should look for peach colored single roses of any sort. I suspect as long as the rose's blossom is a single or semi-double, regardless of the color you'll find it attracts bees. Speaking from personal experience I can attest that the York Rose (which opens very pale peach and then fades to milk white) attracts plenty of bees.
zeffyrose
14 years ago
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Lucretia---I love your pictures with the bees----Thanks

Florence
poodlepup
14 years ago
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Belle Story, always covered in bees, even when surrounding roses are not. Maybe becsuse of all the stamens. Also Honey Perfume seems to get lots of bee visitors-Maybe they like the name!
malcolm_manners
14 years ago
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Agreed on the singles idea. And in our FSC gardens, the very most attractive to bees seems to be the single musk rose, R. moschata. Lots of stamens and very strongly fragrant. And always humming with honeybees.
serenasyh
14 years ago
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Thanks so much everyone. Frug Dagmar Hastrup looks great and Belle Story looks like a perfect candidate too because it has the soft pink in it. My only worry about Belle Story is that 2 sites rate it as strong fragrance and another as only light-fragrance. Which is it Poodlepup?

R. moschata looks really appealing to me too. If all hope fails and I am unable to get the Heidesommer rose I will have to get this one instead. Also what's tricky is I have to get the right R. Moschta; I have read that it often gets mixed up with R. Brunonnii.

You see I can't get white because I am already trying to get Heidesommer which is a prolific sprawling rose and has this gorgeous white/cream coloration (will take lots of room). I am still holding out hope that the cutting for Heidesommer will be successful. It can't be found anywhere except for Europe and Australia.
york_rose
14 years ago
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If you're importing that cutting from abroad that needs to be done under an import permit from the USDA (the Animal Plant Health Inspection Service is the USDA agency that will issue you that permit). That way you won't accidentally import a new rose virus disease.

(Virus diseases often don't express their symptoms right away. The conditions of the import permit allow for the rooted cutting to be monitored in such a fashion that you don't accidentally import a new disease for us to suffer with.)
serenasyh
14 years ago
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No, it will be from a kind forumer from the U.S who did offer. York Rose, I would think that a rose would die if it had to travel all the way from Australia and Europe. I have no idea how to get a rose from overseas either. I only think that vendors have this ability to import roses anyway, only they have the right packaging equipment, contacts, papers etc. to make such a thing possible.
lucretia1
14 years ago
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Fru Dagmar Hastrup is a great rose. It's kind of off to the side in my garden, so I don't know if it's as much of a bee-magnet as some of the others, but I suspect it is with its wonderful single blossoms. Something sure fertilizes it--it's covered with gorgeous, cherry tomato-sized hips. It also gets nice fall color. It also seems a little more manageable in size than some of the other rugosas. An all-around great shrub. Nice shape covered with lovely foliage, gorgeous single blooms, then fall color and hips. And disease resistance, too--what's not to like?
burntplants
14 years ago
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The best roses for bees are the ones that haven't been sprayed...
Having first said that:

Singles don't always work--I've never seen any bees on my neighbour's Knock-out (but maybe they spray?)
I had a General Jaqueminot one time that giant bumblebees would somehow burrow into (even though it's a very full Hybrid Perpetual), and I once (and only once) saw a huge climbing Old Blush absolutely swarmed with bees.

But my best ever rose for bees has been
MUTABILIS
(also called the Butterfly Rose, though it never seems to attract them.)
It is a single, and though it is usually described as having "no scent," here in the humid south the rose fragrance will actually waft through the air if you have a mature plant (mature meaning 3+ years and 8+ feet--yes it gets a bit big!)
It's incredibly low-maintenance (no-spray, no fertilizer, no water, trim it with the hedge clippers twice a year), but is a China so it's not very cold-hardy.
jeffcat
14 years ago
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Bees always go on my Austins, but seeing as how they are English roses with usually covered stamens, it's pretty hilarious watching the bumblebees feverish work endlessly to try to get to the center of the roses. They look like they are digging a hole for hours. I almost feel bad for them. They usually end up settling for just going to the base of the petals and trying to get whatever pollen they can from there.
Gary M
13 years ago
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Honey bees collect what ever pollen and nectar they can get. Honey that is harvested from an area that only has very large fields of clover will get clover honey, a very good taste. Honey that is got from the paper bark trees is almost black and in not unsaleable. Honey that is labeled wild flower is from and unknown multiple sources.

Gary
ex bee keeper
User
13 years ago
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R.moyesii - you can hear them long before you see them....and there are loads (bees, that is)
sc_gardener
13 years ago
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Actually I have asters and sedum and the neighbor has beehives, they tend to prefer those to any roses.

I have seen them on my single rugosas, but those only bloom once in the spring. very rarely later in the season.
User
13 years ago
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Common Rugossa Rubra is always loaded with them they don't seem to care for glauca or Laxa or Pink Meidiland.
reg_pnw7
13 years ago
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I've found that bees love all roses so long as the stamens are exposed. You can get that with pretty much any rose by not deadheading until the petals have fallen off. What are called "open bloom" in rose shows. Pretty much any rose will continue to open its petals until the stamens are exposed, if left on the bush long enough.

I used to do garden maintenance for a living and I was deadheading lots of roses. I learned fast I had to hold the flower from underneath when deadheading so any bees in the flower could escape without stinging my hand. You drop more petals on the ground that way, compared to grabbing the flower from above, but then you trap bees in your hand when grabbing from above.

There is indeed a flavor difference in honey from different flower sources. Domestic honey bees tend to go after one kind of flower at a time. When clover is available, that's what they go after. When almond is what's available, that's what they go after. Et cetera. But you have to have enough of one flower to keep a hive busy. When I lived in California we could get clover, orange, sagebrush honeys. Even eucalyptus, but that wasn't very good. Here in Washington we get fireweed and blackberry honeys. Eastern WA probably has sagebrush honey too.

I wonder if you can get rose honey in areas where roses are grown commercially in large fields ...
organic_kitten
13 years ago
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The bees seem to love the Pink Garnette. It has a lovely fragrance, but it is mainly the small bumble bees that I see on it.
kay
AnneCecilia z5 MI
13 years ago
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That's so interesting, Labrea, that your bees don't seem to care for your glauca. Mine is planted under my powder room window and has grown so tall as to completely obscure the glass. When glauca is in bloom, you can just hear the hum when you walk in that little space. But I think the hands down bee favorite in my gardens is Mary Queen of Scots, perhaps because it blooms so early when there are so few other choices yet in such a quantity. It attracts all types from honey bees to bumblers to little bee-imitation pollinating flies. I wouldn't say MQS is extremely fragrant, but those little open single blooms are plenty attractive to the insect set anyway.
lavender_lass
13 years ago
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Mine seem to like Lavender Lassie and Trier, but they're also surrounded by lots of other bee favorites. They really love the cosmos! I don't spray anything, but I also don't mulch...except with alyssum and other plants, so maybe that brings more bees in, too.

And they love the catmint and lavender! Hidcote english lavender works very well with roses, since it doesn't mind my clay soil and can take a lot of water :)
elemire
13 years ago
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I do not grow species roses and generally bees are rather indifferent to roses in my garden, except hybrid musk Ballerina and Golden Showers.

Rose companions however are bee attractors, they love lavender, foxglove, malva, origanum (I was surprised about how much they love this one), thistles, sunflowers, campanulas.
zeffyrose
13 years ago
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I have "Lyda Rose" right outside my kitchen window and this year I've noticed many bees-----I don't know if this year is any different or maybe I've been washing more dishes----LOL

Florence
anntn6b
13 years ago
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For the original poster, R. bracteata is no spray, deep green foliage with clear white blooms with huge amounts of pollen and is a great favorite among bees. In my garden it isn't invasive; it is invasive in hot and dry parts of Texas.

To the open bloom lists, I'd add the single, deep red Vesuvius which might be available from Burling's out in CA. Also some chinas seem to be great favorites.

(Syrena, moschata will need major protection to survive in your zone.)

In east Tennessee, Sourwood honey is much esteemed. Odd name, it's from bees who harvest honey and pollen from the Sourwood trees.
rosefolly
13 years ago
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I grow many, many different kinds of plants in my garden and see bees all over the place, hummingbirds, too. Not only honey bees and bumble bees, but also all sorts of non-social native bees. Pollination is good. I spray only once in winter when I prune and strip leaves. I don't do much in the way of stripping and pruning for the big ramblers once they attain their full grown, other than to remove dead growth. This is why I insist they must be healthy on their own if they are to live in my garden.

While the bees seem happy with my roses, their favorites are other flowers. They particularly love Teucrium chamaedrys, the low growing herbal germander. It seems to be the plant they love most. If you want to attract bees, plant this!

Rosefolly
serenasyh
13 years ago
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Please pardon my intrusion on this thread (I only grow a bare handful of antiques and at the time I first posted I had nothing valuable to contribute), but after sooo much careful online research, hunting local nurseries to look for which plants honeybees were actually visiting and spending hundreds of dollars trying to find the right plant for my honeybees, I think I should re-write here for those who have a dual passion for honeybees and roses. I finally had success (after 2 years of maddening disappointment with so-called bee-attractive plants) with a true honeybee magnet called Russian sage. It took just 2 plants to bring in the hordes! And Russian sage is supposed to be a great companion for roses....

Here are photos of my honeybees...

This is the first photo of a honeybee right before my Russian sage bloomed. Look how weak, emaciated the honeybee appears-- dull fur, faded coloration.

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Just 9 days later after fattening up with Russian Sage...

Glossy fur, deep yellow stripings, stronger legs

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Also another important thing. I think people often get mixed up between bumblebees and honeybees. Bumblebees can indeed like the roses mentioned in this thread, but honeybees are extremely picky. They won't even visit overhybridized flowering ornamental trees or fruit trees either. And the rest of my honeybee attractive rated plants ended up being abysmal failures. That is how picky honeybees can be. A rare rose can only attract a few handful at best, but not the hordes to support a hive the way Russian sage does.

Another gardener friend Debbie-RedSox recommended for me Holly (for bee horde potential) for spring and early summer which I need for the honeybees. What's great about Russian sage is the huge long bloom time mid-July to summer but I have nothing for Spring. The honeybees don't care for my flowering plum, the flowering Linden or the flowering honeysuckle-scented tree that I have in my garden. I will however be getting the Snow Fountain Cherry that my local nursery carried that was crowded with honeybees (they ignored the entire nursery except for that one tree). So hopefully the Holly will work (I'm planning that for 2012)

Here is also a really good link of honeybee plants from an international beekeeping forum for those of you interested in promoting the health of honeybees.

videos of bee magnet plants
serenasyh
13 years ago
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whoops I meant very long bloom season from mid-July to the first Snow (for Russian sage)
buford
13 years ago
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This spring I was weeding under my Okame cherry trees while they were in bloom and the noise of the little bees humming was so loud! I felt like I was inside a bee hive. Also when my pyrocanthia blooms, it is covered in blooms. Otherwise they seem to like butterfly bushes, salvia and other type of flowers. The bumblebees tend to like the roses.
york_rose
13 years ago
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Different honeybees have different hair coloring. That first bee most likely comes from a different hive than do the others.
floridarosez9 Morgan
13 years ago
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They loooove Chickasaw plum blossoms here in Florida. They also love Crepuscule more than any other rose in my garden.
serenasyh
13 years ago
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Hi York Rose, actually not. They are from the same hive. There are several reasons for this about why they are the same hive but it has to do with my garden, my neighborhood and how long I've studied their presence, plus the painstaking research I've done about honeybee lifestyle. Once the Russian sage was introduced the graduated changes I could see up to the final results of the nine days...

P.S. For 2011, I am also growing clover underneath tree areas rimmed by retaining pavers so that the lawn people will know where not to spray the herbicides at (we have home association rules for "pristine" lawns)and orderly pockets of lined clover I think is still "attractive enough" I suppose, lol! Honeybees don't like red clover so what I got was a combination of crimson clover and dutch white clover. The DWC is a true perennial-crimson clover is only a biennial and has to be replanted. Clover returns nitrogen back to the soil and is excellent for soil health. Wish me luck everyone that the clover seeds can grow successfully in those areas. I may try a single small patch amongst my roses as an experiment. I would like the clover to crowd out the annoying wood sorrel that I have to keep weeding out.
peachiekean
13 years ago
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The bees seem to love my Morden Sunrise very much.
york_rose
13 years ago
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An adult worker honeybee won't change its coloring that dramatically in a couple of days, regardless of what it's foraging.

They don't eat nectar, so the nectar source is unable to change their nutrition that dramatically that quickly.

They collect nectar, then regurgitate it in the hive where other workers turn it into honey over the next week or two.

Look it up and you'll find that honeybees with predominantly grayish hairs aren't unhealthy.

They derive from a different subspecies (native to eastern Europe if I remember correctly) than the one most commonly used by American honeybee hybridizers (who tend to use bees derived from the Italian subspecies).

I studied honeybees as an entomology graduate student. There's lots I don't know, but they don't eat nectar and I've never heard or read anyone assert that they're hair color changes after they emerge from pupation. They aren't mammals and don't have that sort of mammalian physiology.
serenasyh
13 years ago
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Hmmm, very interesting about the 2 different bee types. I thought it was the same hive for 2 reasons. Our neighborhood has extremely few bees to be seen, we do use a lot of chemical treatments and herbicides are part of neighborhood association practices. There's only my firsthand viewing and the photos. In the 1st photo after the "dull bee" the one 9 days (one week 2 days) later, it still has remnants of the paler yellow along its sides but its regaining the "shine". Also the ones with the super gloss were actually 4 days later so I did assume it was from the same hive. They just seemed to get progressively fatter and more active as time passed. My border collie was going crazy last year. She would stop in the middle of catching her frisbee and stare and stare, her head going in circles with all those bees flying around, lol! But again, this is just relying on my own visual observations, which is not! the most scientific of methods and all my research, lol, is online research, not real training with bees. I'm an internet browser for information, lol! not anyone with expert training like you. I did think that they do eat the pollen from what I've read from some of the beekeepers. They usually mix it with the nectar for feeding to their young or for royal jelly, but I think that bumblebees do eat pollen so perhaps some of the honeybees might have grazed while they were at it? Seems to me as honeybees collect some nectar it might still remain inside their system. You can regurgitate, but from what I know happens in humans and birds, part of that nutrition still stays in your own internal system. And glucose is glucose, very easy to be absorbed very fast. But as you pointed out bees are not mammals by any means...

I think we should also let our forumers know that honeybees can't see red so deep red flowers are on the outs. Also again, this is not a scientific observation at all, but bees seem to really like certain intense yellows or a certain light lavender purple. If a purple is too dark, they are not attracted to that as much as the pale purple. A honeybee will occasionally visit a lavender flower but it's only so-so about it. Anise hyssop has the very similar type of purple the honeybees also like. Perhaps the hue of having some purple is what is crucial to also attracting bees? again, it's all hypothesis on my part. I hear that heather is a wonderful flower for honeybees, lots of purple in heather, and I wish they sold it here in the States....
york_rose
13 years ago
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Adult honeybees eat pollen and honey. They make honey from the nectar they collect. Larval honeybees are helpless and must be fed by the adults in the hive. They either eat only "royal jelly" (a substance adult honeybees create inside their own bodies) - if the larvae are intended to become queens when they're adults, or just a little royal jelly and mostly honey & pollen - if they're going to become either workers or drones.

I expect that the honeybees you watched got fatter because there was lots of nectar offered by the Russian sage. It is indeed a huge nectar source and I've never seen it in bloom when it wasn't the focus of TONS of nectar eating/ingesting animals. Many plants in the mint family are likewise. I used to grow a bit of lavender and when I did so, even though I live in a small city that's been around for well over 150 years I would see some solitary bee (doubtless one of the many such native species) that I've never seen before, working the flowers along with honeybees and various bumblebees. LOTS of activity around those lovely lavender flowers!

Honeybees aren't native to the USA. The European colonists brought them. The bumblebees and solitary bees you see are generally honest to goodness natives.
york_rose
13 years ago
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Well, honeybees can't see red, but I suspect if you had the ability to see those red flowers in ultraviolet light you'd soon realize that those flowers showed up anyway (many, many flowers are visible in ultraviolet light, which honeybees can see even though it's invisible to us). I don't know that to be true for certain, but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't so. In addition, honeybees are also guided by "nice" scents (more or less the scents we enjoy smelling), something else flowers usually produce if the intended pollinator is a bee. That would be another way a red flower could draw in a honeybee.

I do know the reds and oranges seem to attract the attention of hummingbirds, especially if the flowers are tubular in shape. Often such flowers don't produce scent and that seems to make sense as well since birds aren't especially known for having great senses of smell.

IIRC honeybees won't work red clover because the flowers' nectaries are out of reach of their tongues. There's no point in visiting a flower whose food is so deep inside the flower you can't reach it.
york_rose
13 years ago
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Here's a heath & heather specialty nursery in WA state that sells to anyone in the United States.
york_rose
13 years ago
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I just found that website just now. I know absolutely nothing about this nursery beyond the very little I read on their website. I can't vouch in any way for the quality of their product or their service.
User
13 years ago
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hi serena - i use clover between my fruit bushes as a living mulch. Am also going to use it under my new rose hedge - a mix of alsike and white clover stays really green and dense, keeps weeds out and doesn't compete with the roses or fruit. You can walk on it too.
york_rose
13 years ago
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Just not barefoot...... ;)
serenasyh
13 years ago
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Whoo-hoo! Thanks so much York rose for finding that site! I have to email and call them because their list is soooo extensive, like hundreds to try to sift through-- it was making my head spin. They seem very knowledgeable about their plants and tons of color variety both! in the blooms and the foliage. If I do have success growing it I will update on it here and have bookmarked it. Heather is SUCH A GORGEOUS PLANT! And I'm sure people would love to have it in their gardens. I will have to ask the Peter Beales forum about why it hasn't yet been a garden plant... After all, us Americans are crazy about our "wildish" coneflowers, so I would think Heather would have the same appeal. Unless Campanula, do you have any idea about people trying to grow heather as colorful accents? The colors are so amazing and would looks so beautiful with roses!

P.S. today my local nursery brought in holly this week! and indeed the honeybees were going crazy over them, just like Debbie described. But yikes!!!! I always thought holly was a shrub, not an actual tree, lol! Holly can grow up to 14'!!! EEEKS! so now I'm trying to research for a dwarf version. The smaller version hybrid I saw was way too sprawly and I didn't like it as much as the original holly and it also had much less honeybees on it. There is one more dwarf version but it hasn't bloomed yet at another nursery. I have to be reaaaal careful about hybrids. Kansas honeybees are real divas, extremely picky. They refuse to visit any of my nepeta, as I had to explain to Debbie. York rose, I never worry about native bees or butterflies- they are so easygoing and carefree and I've always had tons of them in my garden. It's the diva honeybee which I worry about. For us organics people keeping them safe and well fed is crucial. It is a very protective thing that they are so obsessive compulsive in hyperfocusing only on their favorite plants and having bunches of food sources and a safe garden for them helps keep them safe from wandering into "dangerous territories". I am also extremely protective of my honeybees. I told my gardener friend Jim, that I am going to invest in a metal fly swatter, because the next time I see a yellowjacket dare enter my garden, you bet I'm gonna try to kill it, lol! Yellowjackets will prey on honeybees and I will risk getting stung if I can kill any :) Hopefully I will be as good as Uma Thurman (Kill Bill) with my aim, hahahaha!
rosedigger
13 years ago
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I have a lovely hybrid Musk rose called "Erfurt" and let me tell you, the bees love rolling around amongst Erfurt's fluffy yellow stamens, lol.
Erfurt has become my favorite for a landscape rose. Just been pruning lightly in the dormant season so it's grown 5'tall x9' x wide. The flowers are huge and single, bright pink, fading to white in the center with distinct yellow stamens. Gives off a fragrance close to cinnamon.
It's leafy dark green leaves make the large pink flowers stand out, maybe like beacon for the bees and butterflies. When I remember to fertilize it's one of the most repeat bloomers.
york_rose
13 years ago
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rosedigger, what region of the country do you live in?

(I don't by any means want to know exactly where, I only am curious to know what region and what hardiness zone. Those two details have a big impact on how any given rose will grow. Erfurt may grow very differently in Tucson, AZ than it will grow in Seattle, WA, or Atlanta, GA, or Boston, MA, even though it may grow satisfactorily in all four regions, as long as those growing it want it to occupy a certain size & space in their respective gardens.)
nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
13 years ago
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I agree that single roses and those that open to expose their stamens attract the honeybees. One rose that hasn't been mentioned which is a bee magnet in my garden is Dainty Bess. What a beautiful, but tough, rose it is with its dark wine stamens. Dark purple Ebb Tide also attracts honeybees when its blooms open wide. Some perennials to consider are Jupiter's Beard (valerian) in red , dark pink, and white; coreopsis, Heaven's Gate and Sweet Dreams; and all types of coneflowers. Jupiter's Beard blooms early, and keeps on, if occasionally sheared, as well as the coreopsis, which starts blooming a little later. The biggest bumblebee magnets in my garden are all the double hollyhocks I grow. They crawl into the fluffy blooms in the evening and fall adorably asleep, staying till sunup the next morning. I could watch them for hours! Diane
rosedigger
13 years ago
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I think Erfurt has a good chance to grow larger here without winter freeze.
My zone was 9, but I think it's been changed to 8b,9?
I really should find out and get it up here, thanks for the reminder. Living in California inland from San Francisco amongst three towns, what they call the Tri-valley, Pleasanton, Dublin, Livermore, California.
Winters can get as low as 25 but not often, and summer it can get up near 104 or so. Dry summers.
lavender_lass
13 years ago
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Yellow jackets can be difficult (and I didn't know they would kill honeybees) but I have noticed that since I have so many bumblebees in the garden...they yellow jackets have fallen back, a bit. Maybe there's a bee 'pecking order'?

Anyway, bumblebees seem to enjoy the perks of being #1. The get the tops of the sunflowers, while the yellow jackets sleep on the stems, in late summer. The bumblebees have moved into the front yard and kitchen garden, largely for the Hidcote lavender and catmint. The yellow jackets seem happy enough in the fairy garden, with the butterfly bushes and some coneflowers. In fact, they seem very happy on those butterfly bushes...almost a little drunk, if you ask me :)

Best of luck with your honeybees!
animate_galileomediaservices_com
13 years ago
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Lavender lass, Yellow jackets are baaaad for honeybees. They will raid a hive and kill the young. But you can't kill yellow jackets without endangering a honeybee hive unless you physically assault and stomp on a yellowjacket hive or do special organic trapping methods- no poisons are allowed in my book. Some people pour boiling water on yellowjacket nests on the ground, some do meat traps for the yellowjackets. Yellowjackets are a big concern to beekeepers and they do have to take active measures to protect their hives by using special netting that a yellowjacket can't get past.

yellowjackets preying on honeybees

The article shows some of the methods. For me, I'm getting the metal flyswatter, lol! Unless I indeed see a nest in my territory, grrrrr. But in many cases yellowjackets are preying on other insects, not just the bees. But also you may have a more benign yellowjacket species. I never see a yellowjacket on a flower, only at picnics pestering people. Bumblebees look large so maybe they are too big for a yellowjacket to go after.

Also I forgot to mention, many people mix up the carpenter bees with the bumblebees. Carpenter bees make big holes in your wood and are not good pollinators, unlike leafcutter bees and other native bees. I'm sure York rose can explain this far better than me. Carpenter bees will cut through the stamens of the flowers instead of pollinating They look exactly like bumblebees (warm fuzzy yellow and black striping) except they have black shiny backs to them. And yes, they will chase away yellowjackets because they are so huge.

Oh, by the way, I checked with the Peter Beales forum and Elemire at PB very kindly told me that she grows heather with her roses in a few select patches. Honeybees are supposed to really love heather and it makes honey taste really good. I was a bit worried about any invasive potential in heather but thought that maybe my heavy clay soil would keep them under control. This will be my first year growing heather and heath. I am going to go ahead and plant 2 tiny patches in my rose bed. Heather/heath is so gorgeous, and they would help soften my "lumpy, lopsided garden" as I call it :D I've seen photos of gorgeous heath and heather in Europe and I'm droooooling already.

By the way, bad news for me. Honeybees are afraid of rain. They would rather stay in a hive and starve than go out. I had been googling about this because I suspected this fact ages ago, but needed to reconfirm whether what I observed was true. I just hope I don't have the onslaught of flooding and non-stop rains like 2010. But so far the weather has been a far better improvement...

P.S. thanks to Pete Henshall from PB, I will get a rugosa next year. I hear that bumblebees like rugosa. The color of Roseraie de L'Hay is wonderful and the scent is supposed to be quite magnificent. I'll compare it with the other rugosa someone mentioned earlier. To me the telling point is if I see that honeybee on that actual rose in Google or else I'm gonna assume that rose is only suited for our cute, chubby bumbler, lol!

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