I only have Stanwell Perpetual and I love it. It has the most delicious fragrance and it blooms all the time. The blooms are charming with their button center and the color is a soft blush pink. Sometimes the leaves can look a bit ratty, but most of the time it looks great. If I had more room I would like to grow another spinosissima, perhaps Doorenbos.

Mine has to be Dominie Sampson..I like it because it doesn't get real big and I love the swirly pattern of the flowers.

I only have Stanwell Perpetual and I love it. It has the most delicious fragrance and it blooms all the time. The blooms are charming with their button center and the color is a soft blush pink. Sometimes the leaves can look a bit ratty, but most of the time it looks great. If I had more room I would like to grow another spinosissima, perhaps Doorenbos.

Never heard of Paula Vapelle. Just checked HMF, it looks like it is only available in European nurseries. no US or Canada source.
Dominie Sampson looks really nice.
Stanwell Perpetual in contrast to most other spinosisssimas that I tried is very BS prone here.
Mary Queen of Scotts, Doorenbos Selection, Double White and Double Yellow are all healthy.
Another one that gets a lot of BS is Glory of Edzel.
Olga

I only have one, Altaica.

And another hybrid, Karl Forster. KF has lovely foliage that is BS proof. It is supposed to be, according to one source, continuous blooming, but mine so far is not. It bloomed very profusely in June and had a few blooms later.

It's in a bad spot, in the front of a bed, got bigger than I expected so need to move it. The flowers by the way have an interesting form, very double but unlike Austins and white, white.

Paula Vapelle is a Louis Lens rose (Belgium). It would have to be available somewhere in North America!

So far I have the species and Stanwell Perpetual. I'm expecting Mary Queen of Scotts soon. Olga, if you ever get suckers or think the cuttings would root, I would love to try your varieties.

Robert

My favorites are two, Double White and Frühlingsduft. I have no real choice in the case of the first as I inherited two very large thickets of it with the garden. Several hundred plants that are a frothy mass of white in spring.

My conscious choice is the Kordes hybrid Frühlingsduft because of the heady scent (duft!) and the delicate soft pale yellow, flushed with pink, of the flowers. A nursery owner in the south of Sweden once gave me a flower and it scented the car during the 400 mile ride home. I had to have this rose.

This is my newest favorite variety of rose. I have several but most are still young-the usual Double whites and cream,Blush, Karl and Stanwell a couple of the Frülings. William III is nice- a dark red. Dunwich is nice too. I particularly about Spinosissimas is the look of the foliage and hips as it contrasts with the dark wood. They are very ornamental even when not in bloom-only problem-of all the roses I have that set hips they are the ones the birds go for. I have a difficult dry sandy area at the foot of the property and that is where they are going.

patricia

Of the hybrids, I have Mrs. Colville, William III and Doorenbos Selection, the latter being my favorite particularly for the rich color and contrast with its beautiful stamens but also for the perfection of its foliage that is, as Patricia says, beautifully ornamental even when out of bloom. I think I'll check with Cliff Orent at EuroDesert Roses about Paula Vapelle since he carries many of the rarer Lens roses.

Sue

Here is a link that might be useful: EuroDesert Roses

Olga, can you tell me size of Doorenbos.

Thank you,
Carla

I've been trying to get my hands on Reverend Seidel for a while with no luck. I would love to know if anyone is growing this rose and if it is worth the wait and efforts to obtain it.

Doorenbos is very pretty, Olga. Vintage says it has some repeat, do you find that to be true in our climate?

Carol

Actually, 'Paula Vapelle' is a rose by Ivan Louette - and I was ahead of the curve trying to order it in the Loubert import debacle a while ago (anyone remember that?!), but of course it didn't survive.

So far, I have a seedling I'm really falling in love with, but that doesn't count. I like them all. They don't have to repeat, either, because they're charming to look at regardless.

Olga

It appears the rose "Paula Vapelle" has made it to N. America (Montreal Botanical Garden? http://www.rosegathering.com/paulav.html)

Appears others have tried to import it without success:
(http://www.rosehybridizers.org/forum/message.php?topid=16039&rc=3&ui=1946351252)

Perhaps ARS/Peter Boyd could direct you?
(http://www.ars.org/Quarterlies/OGR&Shrub_Vol4-4.pdf)

HMF description looks impressive.

Carol, I don't have any repeat on my DS.
Carla, my DS was planted in spring 2007, so it is still ver samall. I am not sure what would be mature size. But it already gave me several tiny suckers. Right now they are not ready to be separated, but next spring I think I should have some suckers to share.
Robert, I definitely will keep you in mind. Right now I don't have suckers that are ready, butow. coming spring, I will let you know.
Thank you for the information on Paula Vapelle.
Olga

I grow Stanwell Perpetual and like it very much.

I bought another HSpin at the Vintage sale of duplicate mother plants, but it died in a recent heat wave. I thought I was watering it adequately, but I was mistaken.

I admire this class of roses but am not especially planning to add more. I really am planted out in roses. I have as many as I can care for and have even cut back in the past couple of years.

The scent of Paula Vapelle sounds intriguing, lily of the valley! It is a pity that it is not commercially available here in the United States.

For me it would be Doorenbos for the brilliant flowers as Olga says. The foliage is pretty dull to me until autumn, when the leaves turns shades of red and dusky purple. MIne is four feet tall in zone four. No winter damage. Unlike Mary Queen, is is not a rude spreader.


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'Doorenbos Selection'

And my other favorite is Fruhlignsduft for the scent and flowers. It is trying to re-bloom now, but this rose is highly attractive to the beetles. I can't bear to see it ruined as it is right now.

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'Fruhlingsduft' in June

Somehow all Fruhlings seria roses I tried were BS prone for me. I didn't try this particular one though. Looks beautiful, but leaves definitely not spinossissima like and repeat makes me suspect that it would be also BS prone here. What a shame. I want to grow them all.
Olga

Hi Olga,

I would love to be on your list of people waiting for you to share a sucker of Doorenbos Selection :-). Your descriptions and pictures make it seem so desirable. I have been saving a spot for it as a companion to Hugonis (which I also got due to your enabling and I am delighted with it).

Kathy

Olga, all the Fruhlings sisters are species spinosissima X a hybrid tea, so the BS risk is there. I know you are in a BS high-pressure zone, so they may succumb. But I'll tell you Fruhlingsduft gets no BS in my yard without spraying, while nearby Fruhlingsgold looses all its leaves to BS by the middle of July. Doorenbos never gets any diseases.

I just love Stanwell Perpetual. Wonderful fragrance and always in bloom, it's been a great rose in my garden setting.

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Olga, is your Double Yellow the Double Yellow plena or the Double Yellow (Foetida) cross? There seems to be a few on HMF and I thought most foetida hybrids did horribly here!

Back on Paula Vapelle, again; it seems at least one of the sources noted on HMF (Fil Roses-Le Temps des Roses) ships to the USA.

However, it also appears that shipment only occurs in November.

Max, I have William's Double Yellow from Vintage, which is spinossissima, no foetida blood. It is very healthy.

Here is a link that might be useful: William's double Yellow

Sorry, Max. I posted my message and then saw that one of the names at HMF for this rose is Foetida Williams.
Whateverthe name is, it doesn't grow look or behave like foretida. So I gueuss other 8 names that says spinossima are right :)
Olga

All yellow spinosissimas are crosses with foetida.

Here is a link that might be useful: Peter Boyd on spinosissimas

Marianne

Great link.

You grow a few roses!

Kathy, I just saw your post. Sure, you are in.
Olga

Mariannese, thank you. It makes me wonder, if my WDY will stay healthy in the following years. My WDY was planted only in 2007, so I really don't know how resistant it will be over a long time. Right now it is spotless, but I will watch it with suspision from now on :)
Olga

I'll have to do some research, but I think the yellow spinossisimas predate the introduction of R. foetida to Britain. They definitely predate Harison's Yellow.

FWIW, this thread enabled me to return to Vintage and add FOUR more spinossissima roses to my current order of mainly moss roses. I'm waiting on confirmation, but the roses include

William's Double Yellow
Mrs. Colville
Fruhlingsgold
Carnea Plena
Alternate: Single Blush

I really love this forum.

Robert

The foetidas appear in Gerald's Herbal, 1597, so I seriously doubt the yellow spins predate them.

I have a collection of about a dozen or so varieties, and would be hard put to say one was my favorite, but my two favorites are Doorenbos and double white. All of mine have beautiful hips right now, and the Altaica one has them turning color. The foliage and growth is so beautiful on them all!

--Ron

I'd always been under the impression that yellow is one naturally-occurring color variation in R. spinosissima, in addition to the hybrids between that species and R. foetida. 'Williams' Double Yellow' was even said by its raiser to have come from a seed of Rosa foetida, whether or not everyone believes this story in whole or in part. Certainly both species occur in a section of the genus known for yellow-flowered roses, and I've even read there is apparently evidence that this species is an allotetraploid, which would mean that chromosome sets of two separate species are combined into its genome. I would like to see more definitive proof before entirely accepting Boyd's opinion.

Someone may also find interesting that genetic evidence also points to Rosa altaica being completely distinct from Rosa spinosissima. The strikingly similar appearance of the two, then, would be an example of morphological convergence, where two unrelated organisms independently evolve to look alike. There are certain to be interesting repercussions for the garden performance and the breeding of roses from these separate lineages.

I've grown and really liked Robbie Burns, an Austin introduction. It's a large pale pink to white single. I've also grown Stanwell Perpetual and Karl Forster. Stanwell is the better of the two in my opinion.

Robbie Burns
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