#5 is apt to melt in the rain. #6 is a unique variety, very good except when grafted on unsuitable rootstocks.

I like Salet. It grows a bit like what I believe a centifolia does (so it ain't the most beautiful thing out of bloom), but I love the flowers and how it looks while blooming. Mine isn't in the best place for it. It's most likely a shadier spot than it would like (dappled shade nearly all day), the climate here isn't ever truly "hot" (a heat wave in Boston is officially defined as 3 days in a row over 90), and the lawn sprinklers wet the leaves every morning, but this is the best I can do for it, given that I live in a townhouse. I get one good bloom out of it, and after a few years am just now getting any rebloom. Others on this forum report that it reblooms for them profusely, so I'm sure the shortcomings of mine must be due to my less than desirable location for it.

The flowers smell lovely!

#5 is just about my favorite, but it remains rather small. I don't know about melting in the rain. We have had loads of rain, and they remain beautiful. (I have 4 of them)

#2 is one of the deepest darkest of reds. Mine are only two years old so I cannot comment too much about the. (Woops, Chamblees recommends zones 7-10 here.)

SAmmy

i have #3 and #4. my first rdr dwindled to nothing and died, someone told me that most are virused, but i bought another from a different vendor and it seems to be doing just fine. And of course mme. isaac periere, the classic, some say most fragrant rose, very vigorous, seems more of a climber to me. rogue valley roses is offering a free band of it if you order before the end of the month, check their latest newsletter for details.

Souvenir de la Malmaison is perfectly adapted here, it thrives in the heat.
But I know it's a long way from where you live.
Not only are its blooms great looking, but the buds are my favorite of all my roses.
Because of our mild winters, it grows to 5 ft tall by 5 ft wide after several years, so it's a medium-sized bush for me, not a small bush.
Rain doesn't bother it at all here, but then we don't get that much :-)

Randy

The rose in commerce as Francis Dubreuil is almost certainly actually 'Barcelona,'
a 1932 Hybrid Tea Rose.

Kim Ruperts notes on it are really interesting:
The origin of the Francis Dubreuil/Barcelona confusion is identical to that for Irene Watts and Pink Gruss an Aachen. Bob Edberg imported Francis Dubreuil from Peter Beales. He rooted a plant for The Huntington, which he gave me to take to Clair Martin when I went out to volunteer. I did. That plant should still be in the Tea and China bed at The Huntington. I gave cuttings to Carolyn at Sequoia from this FD. I rooted them for the Huntington Plant Sales, and the one which still grows in what's left of my garden. The FD at Ashdown came from this plant, also.
Barcelona had grown in the gardens at The Huntington for decades. My plant, and that given to Ashdown and Sequoia, came from that plant, also. I still grow that plant, too. Both varieties are own root, and have been kept separate so as to prevent confusion. In my climate, there is no difference. I can also tell you when grown under plastic, at Sequoia, budded on a tree stock, the FD blooms are VERY much like those of Oklahoma. Try it, it's very interesting.
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Jeri

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Barcelona' at HMF

SDLM might not be hardy in zone 5; you might want to chack with local growers before spending your money. I have never grown it, but Proud Titania, from DA (Vintage has it on sale ) looks very much like SDLM, and might be better suited to your climate.

I have all the roses in your list. Salet is my favorite out of your list. It blooms a lot, is fragrant, and seems to like my yard. I like RdR, too, but, it does lose a lot of its leaves. FDH is a great rose for me....it sets wonderful hips..I'm starting numerous seedlings from it. MIP is glorious, then hideous after its first bloom, then nice again..not much repeat for me. I think MIP would appreciate some relief from afternoon sun for me. SDLM is a heat lover. And FD is a weekling for me.

In your zone, I would definitely have Salet, RdR, and FDH.

Robert

SdlM is beautiful, but only partially hardy here for me in zone 6B. I usually loose most of the canes except one or two each winter. It recovers by mid summer, but stays small. I would avoid it in your zone.
Salet is wonderful and Rose de Rescht is usually very happy in colder zones. I really love MIP, but of course it is less healthy here.
FD is beautiful, but flowers fry in direct sun for me and it is prone to BS here.
DH is good healthy rose and hips are wonderful.
Olga

I grow Salet, RdR, SdlM and MIP. Of those, my favorite is Salet. The bush form is nice and rounded and it has been in constant bloom this year with no noticeable disease in my no spray garden. I also very much like the other three, but RdR can look pretty ragged during the summer months. I still keep it, because the blooms have the most wonderful fragrance. SdlM always looks good, but does not bloom as much as Salet. MIP during the summer months tends to behave as RdR (i.e. looks a bit ragged), but there are some new, strong canes coming up right now, so it is starting to look good again. I would not go without any of these roses, but Salet and SdlM do look the best in my garden.
Joanne

thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments, makes me tempted to post my full list of possibilities...but i'll spare you that horror. Does anyone grow Gabriel Noyelle? Salet is a parent of that rose.

You might ask advice best place to order a good strong plant of Rose de Rescht in a separate post, once you've decided on it. I've lost at least 3 plants-- Ohio, Texas and Virginia-- couldn't get a good plant. Rose de Rescht is wonderful. So are the others. Frau Dagmar Hastrup is absolutely wonderful, lower-growing than many rugosas and very winter-hardy. Great list, go for it!

so where is the best place to order a good strong healthy antique roses, specifically the ones I was asking about? I know everyone's going to have their favorites. I'm pretty much smack dab in the middle of the midwest so there shipping methods need to be considered.

I have #s 3 & 4 of your list, new this year-

3-flowers are nice, but it doesn't seem to be particularly attached to its leaves.

4-have not yet had bloom one yet (as opposed to the Deuil de Dr. Reynaud next to it), but aren't the leaves nice?

I guess location is everything (roses, real estate, what have you), as I apparently lucked out on MIP and Deuil, but inadvertently condemned Louise Odier.

Jeri,

To clarify things, are you saying that the rose imported from Peter Beales is the H.T. called "Barcelona"?

thanks Lux.

where is the best place to order good strong healthy antique roses?

Grafted or own-root?

I have 4,5,and6. This is my first year with them, I ordered them from Great Lakes Roses. SdlM did ball up in the rain, but I forgave her because she is so beautiful.
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MIP is a very generous lady and always puts out ;-)
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I got FDH for the bees, but they pass her up for her smaller sister Buffalo Gal.
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So far they have been very easy to take care of in my no spray garden, had a bad attack of Jap. Beetles(my son had fun feeding these to the weenie dogs, yuck!!)
-B

No. 3 is a good rose if you spray fungicides. She has good repeate and smells nice. A well-manored rose. No. 4 is difficult to find without Rose Mosaic Virus. Mine had it and would get disease even with spraying. No. 6 is the best in my opinion. She is a rugosa and other than a little fertilizer requires no care whatsoever.
That's my experience with these.

Barbara

I'd prefer own root...but that may not always be possible.