will mums perform in shade?
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Comments (17)Ruth - the leaves in last picture you posted makes me wonder if it's a R. podophylla since those one's leaves are supposed to have 'shallow lobes towards the tips' and the leaves in the picture you posted look somewhat like that, although most images of R. podophylla show quite definite lobes compared to those in your picture. But the flower panicles are supposed to be relatively short - 1' or so - so that doesn't match your description of tall flowers! However, I've also found places saying 3' flowers... I wonder whether the difference is due to measuring the whole flowerstalk vs measuring just the flowering portion? One reference I found said there was a lot of natural hybridizing between the species, so perhaps you've got a mixed one..... I'm now on the hunt for a R. podophylla! I can't imagine that conditions were too wet this spring for your astilboides. The first ones I ever saw were growing at the edge of an irrigation pond at a nearby nursery. They were in full sun so obviously needed the water. They were enormous! Perhaps though, the harsh winter cold that froze the ground deeper than normal combined with wet and shade to overwhelm them this year. Mine came through the winter fine, although they were slower than usual to emerge. Mine get water from one of our downspouts, as well as from a downspout on the neighbour to the north's house. Snails do munch on the leaves at times, so perhaps the snails got yours....? Here, the plants get shade until about 2:00 in the afternoon when they get a couple of hours of sun before they go back into dense shade from the house. shadyplace - I'm sure, in your zone, they'd need that morning sun instead....See MoreVery impressed with the Mammoth Mum series
Comments (67)rouge - It is interesting to see how these are evaluated across the pond, but I wonder how that translates to our very different climate? I noticed in the report, it was mentioned their trial garden experienced one of the lowest winter temps in recent years: -17 C which equals around 1.4 F. As we all know, that's not considered very cold around here. I also noticed they mentioned a couple of pest problems I have never heard of. Come to think of it, I can't recall mums in my garden having any issues with pests other than rabbits. Still, an interesting read. Of the ones awarded in their garden trials, I have one - Ruby Mound. It is a nice plant and for a long time was one of my favorites, but I've discovered others I like better. Kevin...See MoreQuestion about potting a mum and leaving it in shade
Comments (3)I think a lot will depend on its flowering condition :-)) Mums sold for fall color tend to be very heavily budded - best to purchase them in bud rather than bloom as the flowers tend to go over rapidly. But the development of the buds into flowers is certainly stimulated by sunlight. Excessive shade may very well stunt or abort the flowering. So you've got this choice to make - a heavily budded plant that may not fully develop its flowering potential in that much shade or one already into its flowering cycle that may not produce for as long as you like (IME, a ready-to-go mum lasts about 2-3 weeks max in bloom)....See MoreAsbestos fear from a mum
Comments (9)Having worked in the area of asbestos removal and regulation, I think your concern is understandable. While I do not agree with "functionthenlook" that only occupational, repeated exposures are a concern, I also think that you should not totally panic. It's hard to tell from your description just what the material was, how extensive it was, and how much of it was removed by these techniques. It is reassuring that the air tests came back as below detectable. (Hopefully, this was done by an accredited testing firm and the air samples were collected for a long enough period to be valid.) The single, positive swab result was not surprising, but it's good there weren't more of them. At this point the exposure, if any, has occurred and there is nothing to be done about that. However, if the facility has been cleaned, as the results seem to indicate, then you shouldn't have concerns about continuing exposure. If you want my opinion based on the very limited info you've provided, I'd say that it was a very unfortunate situation, but the fact that the children were not in the classroom while the work occurred, and there may not be any remaining contamination, suggests that long term health concerns are probably minimal. What the contractor did was bone-headed, incompetent, and in likely violation of asbestos removal regulations. In addition, while it was commendable that parents cleaned up after, that was something that should have been left to accredited asbestos removal workers so that there was not more potential exposure. If I were asking questions about this, they would be: -Were there any requirements in the work contract for compliance with environmental regulations, particularly in regard to asbestos? If not, why not? (This is a common situation and one would routinely anticipate a need for testing in advance for work on floors in a public building.) -How much asbestos-containing material was disturbed and what was the nature of the material? -Who collected the samples and conducted the testing? Was the lab accredited and did they follow standard testing protocol? In what location were samples taken (both air and swab)? -Was the debris disposed of in a landfill permitted to receive asbestos waste? -What personal respiratory protection measures, if any, were employed by people doing the cleanup work? -Has the contractor been reported to the local environmental regulatory agency for appropriate action? Answers to these questions might help better inform people of the extent of the problem (and hopefully reassure them), possibly prevent a recurrence with future projects, and provide consequences for possibly unlawful actions of the contractor. You may wish to contact your local environmental office to discuss this with them and see if they could provide someone from their staff to attend the meeting who would have regulatory, technical, and risk assessment knowledge that you don't have. I also assume, when you say that "they" will have a meeting, that it will include someone from the school board, which I think would be advisable. In summary, I think this is not something you should spend a lot more time fretting about because it has probably been pretty well-corrected, but asking the right questions at a meeting will help your school and possibly others in the area going forward....See Moreladychroe
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