Need large, light pink DA or OGR

9 years ago

Well, this is a rather pleasant dilemma. Last weekend we had the concrete wall around our back yard painted: it went from pale pink (photo, with Molineux in April) to dark red.
I have two Alnwick Roses, large and getting larger, about four feet in from the wall. Last year, I planted two Falstaffs right behind them -- figuring they would get even bigger, and that the dark red blooms would look great against the pink wall.
However, the Falstaffs aren't working. Plump Jack is a skinny, short non-bloomer in that spot (it does get more shade than the Alnwicks). Besides, I now realize that dark red blooms would blend right into my wall and be virtually invisible!
Now I think a lilac or light pink rose is what I need. Instead of two of them, though, I'd like to buy one big ol' plant. I can get 5-gallon Austins around here at wholesale prices, but would also like to consider OGRs/teas/noisettes. Remontant, please!
We have the classic SoCal valley weather, with few low clouds and more sun than we know what to do with. It does dew up at night, though.
I like James Galway, and it is recommended for shade but not for hot, dry climates. Thoughts? Suggestions?
Thanks!
Sylvia

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SylviaWW 9a Hot dry SoCal
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9 years ago
Here is what the new wall looks like. The mirror is there to increase the amount of light going to Falstaff (dull dark foliage in front of the pelargoniums) but still, no blooms.
jerijen
9 years ago
'Golden Celebration'????

This image shows a row of 4 plants, marching down hill . . .

I suggest it, because even closer to the coast, it does not mildew or rust -- and a touch of blackspot is a rare event. It blooms in immense "crops," and is very, very fragrant.

Also, it is a "mainstream" sort of plant, which should be obtainable locally.
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In fact, teas and chinas have scattered bloom right now in the cemetery. I'm usually out in the cemetery on Tues and Sat mornings and would be glad to answer questions for you. Other than a week or two the end of Feb/beginning of March, some roses are always in bloom. Souv de la Mal is a good rose for Sacramento but does have a tendency to ball if its wet in the spring until the plant is mature (in my experience, it will grow out of the balling tendency). Some of the HPs are very good here and smell great - roses like Benny Lopez (found, but Vintage and Burlington sometimes have it), Old Town Novato, Jay's Hudson HP, Barbara's Pasture Rose. Grandmother's Hat is wonderful but gets bigger, although I believe you can keep it to size. Some of the early Hybrid Teas have a great shape, more of a shrub, and good fragrance. We love Kaiserin Auguste Viktoria and Radiance. Some of the other Bourbons are good here - Souvenir de St. Anne's, Mme Isaac Periere, Pulich Children (another found rose that Vintage has had). Perle d'Or is a fabulous tea-poly that is a wonderful rose for Sacramento, but the flowers are small and clustered and the fragrance is medium at best. We will have some of these roses for sale at the cemetery Open Garden on April 20. Watch for our catalog, which we hope to have ready by the beginning of April. (Thanks to Jeri!) I have found Buck roses sorely lacking in fragrance, but don't know them very well. Anita
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> > > I think disease resistance - for any class - is best considered on a rose by rose basis. *** WOW is that ever true! Over 20 years, we've grown almost every sort of rose, and we know that: MOST HTs don't really thrive here. MOST Teas, Noisettes, Chinas, and Polyanthas DO thrive here. MOST Austin roses don't really thrive here. (In fact most of them seem not to respond well to a cool coastal climate.) MOST Northern European once-bloomers need chill hours we do not have, and do not thrive here long-term. MOST Hybrid Perpetuals and Bourbons are "iffy" for us. But a few HTs are fine here, and a few Teas, Chinas, Noisettes, and Polyanthas are not. A handful of HPs are reasonably good here. A handful of Austins are reasonably good here. Look first at classes of roses, seeking groups that, on the whole, thrive in your climate. Then look within those classes to choose the best of them for your microclimate. Remember that even people in a similar plant-hardiness zone may have very different conditions from yours. Local advice is ALWAYS most accurate. If I'd had LOCAL advice when I began, I might have spent a lot less money on the wrong roses for my garden. Jeri Jennings
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Hi. Are you still trying to identify this one? If so, I have some questions and maybe a suggestion or two. Can you get photos of buds that are about to open, flower stems, foliage, foliage details like the edges of the leaves, and a good look at the general habit of the plant? With regard to suggestions that other people have made, I like the 1938 article by Mrs. Keays, though some of the names are now out of date. She has a lot to say about key characteristics. As to the roses that people have suggested, I'm afraid they mostly don't seem right to me. For example, most of the photos of 'Fantin Latour' and 'Comte de Chambord' show blossoms that are significantly darker in the middle and paler at the edge, but I don't see that in any of your photos of your rose. Photos of 'de la Grifferaie' seem to show a more ragged blossom with fewer petals, and much more color-change as the flowers age out. 'Konigin von Danemark' has dark-green wrinkly foliage, and the flowers tend to be pale at the edge. If I'm seeing your photos right, your plant has dusty mid-green foliage with a wavy (but not really wrinkly) surface, and it has relatively long flower-stems. Several of the suggested possibilities (for example, 'La Ville de Bruxelles') have flowers that are mostly cupped, with a fairly flat front. Your photos don't look like that at all -- the flowers appear to open quite convex. (Are the petals any paler on the reverse than the front? That, too can be a key item...) 'Williamsburg' (http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=28904) is superficially similar, but I'm not sure it has as many petals, and the date of introduction is a bit recent (1965). 'Hetty's Mystery', found in California (http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=48548), is also superficially similar, but the leaves appear too flat and not dusty enough. I just wish I could be more helpful. It would be great, btw, if you'd be willing to post this rose to Fara Shimbo's new found roses Website. I'll give the URL below. Here is a link that might be useful: Found Roses (a new site)
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jerijen
9 years ago
The other thing I would suggest -- equally dependable, and with most of the same virtues, is "Grandmother's Hat," which is the mid-pink you're wanting. This is, I think, 3 own-root plants in a row.

Here again you have great disease-resistance, fragrance -- and oh both "Grandmother's Hat" and 'Golden Celebration' have a good vase life.

The downside for "Grandmother's Hat" is that it is less-easily obtained. You might try Rogue Valley Roses or Burlington Rose Nursery -- but plants will be own-root, and thus slower to mature. (That's not an issue for me, but I know it is for some.)
luxrosa
9 years ago
Annies Annuals in Richmond ,california sells Grandmothers Hat, some years.
It's a fantastic rose. It has a longer bloom season than 90% of the several dozens of Austin roses I've cared for.

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Adam Harbeck
9 years ago
I think mutabilis would look good, especially with the red new growth which would compliment the wall. Or perhaps Cecile Brunner?
jacqueline9CA
9 years ago
For a real light pink, I would suggest Duchesse de Brabant. Mine blooms truly continuously. It is a tea, and loves hot weather, and was rated an Earth Kind rose in tests in Texas.

Mine is about 5 years old, and is 6-7 ft high by 7 ft wide.

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If you don't have 'Belinda's Dream', it is a great rose.
SylviaWW 9a Hot dry SoCal
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9 years ago
Thanks, all.
Hoovb, I've heard nothing but praise for 'Belinda's Dream' on this forum.
Jackie, I'm pleased to hear your "Duchesse de B" is big -- HMF lists it as much smaller.
Adam, 'Cecile Brunner' is a small-flowered rose which might not work as well in that spot.
So many fun choices! Now, can I put off gratification until bare-root season (next year seems so far away), or will I succumb to childishness and order one-gallons (if I can find them)?
I don't know a good retail source for OGRs in LACounty, so if anybody does, please fill me in.
Sylvia
jerijen
9 years ago
Sylvia -- Nope. Not these days.

Burlington Rose Nursery in Visalia . . .

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