PEACE PIPE TIME. and no will know what you put in that pipe. Mike, take it from someone whose remarks are sometimes interpreted as challenging or harsh, take it down a notch with gardeners who are kinda new at this stuff. I've been gardening for 30 years...and never managed to post a picture to prove it....but I'd be pretty upset if someone told me "I did everything wrong." The OP isn't passing himself off as professional and if OP wasted time or money, that's his business. And show me the beginner, intermediate or experienced gardener who hasn't wasted time or money. BTW, I"m assuming those photos are your life's work. Wow! Pretty impressive. Clearly plants are spaced well, and with 20 year growth horizon. But for me, some of the landscapes are not what I'd enjoy for my own use: too busy, not restful. Are you part of that great population of plant collectors? Thanks for sharing your photos. Perhaps you'd consider posting on a new thread so your gardens are buried in the middle of someone else's thread? There's a thread right now on the Perennials Forum called something like "Post your photos". You could post a few or a milion and people would really appreciate the opportunity to see what you've done. Sorry, everyone, for going soooooooooooooooooooo Off Topic. idabean/Marie

Have you visited any other gardens in your area to see what is attracting the butterflies there? Always a good idea, too. Don't know why you are not getting any. Is this the first year you've either not had many show up, or have you just started your garden this year? I know it took me a good 3-4 years to really get a good population going. Maybe it's just not a good year for butterflies in your location. Like Sandy said, last year was awful for us, altho we had a really nice population of GFs and Monarchs late in the season, starting like mid-August. Butterflies are also capricious - for example, they have never really nectared on pentas in my yard before, especially the cultivars like the Butterfly series. However, this year the Pipevines are going nuts over them. Next year, it'll probably be a different story. Lavendar is also a popular nectar plant as well as lantanas, Cosmic Orange cosmos, zinnias, cleome, and verbena bonariensis. If you get pipevine swallowtails in your area, you might want to consider Aristolochia durior (macrophylla), A. serpentaria, A. tomentosa, and A. clematitis as host plants for them. Most Black Swallowtails like fennel, parsley, dill, and Rue. The Giant Swallowtails will also use Rue as a host plant, so it's a good herb to get for both. Almost everyone in the eastern U.S. will get Black Swallowtails if you plant their food plant. Generally speaking, they don't like Queen Anne's Lace for some reason. Gulf Fritillaries use passion vine, and the natives are Passiflora incarnata (and its cultivars like 'Incense'), Passiflora lutea (likes shady areas), and Passiflora ceurulea (Blue Crown). For nectar plants, it's a good idea to try to have something in bloom during the spring, summer, and fall. Your salix should attract Viceroys and also possibly, Red Spotted Purples. Altho Wild Cherry (prunus serotina) will also attract both. The rotting fruit should definitely attract the sap-dung-fruit butterflies like your Mourning Cloaks, Hackberry Emperors, Question Marks, and Red Admirals. I planted Hops vines this year, but the QMs here prefer the Elm trees so far. I find them on the saplings most of the time, and they're easy to spot because they lay numerous eggs, with a few that are "stacked" on top of the others. Butterflies that use a number of different host plants? Sometimes you have to just take a "wait and see" to know what their favorite host plant is for your region. For example, your tiger swallowtails may prefer Cottonwood over the Sweet Bay. You can also try Ptelea trifoliata (hop tree). It can take a bit more shade than most host plants. I don't have an answer for you on your other questions about the RSPs and Tigers, so maybe someone else can pop in here and answer. Are you planting milkweed for the Monarchs? Sounds like you have a good start. It is good to have host plants and nectar plants available. Egg-laying mommas like to re-energize after a bit of egg laying. I see them nectar and then oviposit, nectar and then oviposit, so having both will assure you of an ongoing population. Welcome to the forum and good luck with your garden. We have a saying, "if you plant it, they will come"....and believe me, one day you'll have more butterflies than you know what to do with. Take if from my experience!! LOL! Susan

The numbered plants are those that somebody on the Butterfly Gardening forum has used to SUCCESSFULLY rear caterpillars to adulthood or has actually observed the caterpillar eating. If there is no numbered plant, then nobody on our forum can vouch for any specific plant. If a butterfly in the list below has no numbered plant, research the plant family shown for hostplant candidates. Several forum members report that using nursery or home-improvement store plants can be poisonous to caterpillars and adult butterflies due to pesticides or other chemicals. You have three main options: 1--raise the plant from seed (best). 2--prune the plant, do not put it in a prominent location, and wait for some new growth before presenting the plant to butterflies (good). 3--buy nursery/store plants, wash them thoroughly (fair; it is hard to get all the chemical off of the plant). SWALLOWTAILS Giant Swallowtail - Citrus family, Rutaceae 1. Ptelea trifoliata - hop tree, wafer ash 2. Zanthoxylum clava-herculis - hercules club 3. Zanthoxylum fagara - wild lime 4. Zanthoxylum americanum - prickly ash 5. Citrus spp. - various species, including cultivated 6. Murraya paniculata - orange jasmine 7. Ruta graveolens - rue 8. Dictamnus albus - gas plant Spicebush Swallowtail - Laurel family, lauraceae 1. Persea borbonia - redbay 2. Persea palustris - swampbay 3. Sassafras albidum - sassafras 4. Lindera benzoin - spicebush 5. Cinnamomum camphora - camphor tree Pipevine swallowtail caterpillars will die if raised on tropical pipevines. Please only use the pipevines on the list. Pipevine Swallowtail - Pipevine family, Aristolochia 1. Aristolochia macrophylla - big leaf pipevine 2. Aristolochia tomentosa - woolly pipevine 3. Aristolochia serpentaria - Virginia snakeroot 4. Aristolochia californica - California pipevine 5. Aristolochia fimbriata - white-veined Duchman's pipe 6. Aristolochia trilobata - Dutchman's Pipe 7. Aristolochia clematitis - Birthwort 8. Aristolochia watsonii - Desert pipevine Anise Swallowtail - Carrot family, Apiaceae 1. Pimpinella anisum - anise 2. Foeniculum vulgare - fennel 3. Lomatium - parsnip Eastern Black Swallowtail - Rue family, Rutaceae - Carrot family, Apiaceae 1. Ruta graveolens - rue 2. Anethum graveolens - dill 3. Foeniculum vulgare - fennel 4. Petroselinum crispum - parsley 5. Zizia aurea - golden Alexander Palamedes Swallowtail - Laurel family, lauraceae 1. Persea borbonia - redbay 2. Persea palustris - swampbay 3. Sassafras albidum - sassafras Zebra Swallowtail - Pawpaw family, annonaceae 1. Asimina triloba - common pawpaw 2. Asimina pygmaea - dwarf pawpaw 3. Annona muricata - soursop Polydamas Swallowtail - Pipevine family, Aristolochia 1. Aristolochia elegans - calico flower 2. Aristolochia gigantea - giant pipevine 3. Aristolochia fimbriata - white-veined Duchman's pipe Eastern Tiger Swallowtail - Rose family, Rosaceae - Magnolia family, Magnoliaceae - Olive family, Oleaceae 1. Prunus serotina - wild black cherry 2. Liriodendron tulipifera - tulip poplar 3. Ptelea trifoliata - wafer ash, hoptree 4. Fraxinus velutina - Arizona ash tree 5. Magnolia virginiana - sweetbay magnolia Canadian Swallowtail 1. Populus tremuloides - quaking aspen Two-tailed Tiger Swallowtail - Cherry family, Prunus - Ash family, Fraxinus - Citrus family, Ptelea 1. Prunus virginiana - chokecherry 2. Ptelea crenulata - California hoptree 3. Ptelea trifoliata - Common hoptree Pale Swallowtail - Buckthorn family, Rhamnaceae 1. Rhamnus californicus - coffeeberry 2. Ceanothus arboreus - California lilac Western Tiger Swallowtail - Willow family, Salicaceae WHITES and SULPHURS Sulphurs - Bean family, fabaceae Cloudless Sulphur 1. Cassia alata - Candlestick plant 2. Senna hebecarpa - wild senna Clouded (Common) Sulphur 1. White or red clover 2. Baptisia australis - wild indigo Orange-barred Sulphur Sleepy Orange 1. Cassia obtusifolia - sicklepod 2. Cassia bicapsularis - Christmas senna 3. Cassia surattensis - glaucous cassia 4. Senna mexicana - Bahama senna 5. Senna ligustrina - privet senna 6. Cassia javanica - apple blossom cassia, pink cassia 7. Chamaechrysta fasciculata - partridge pea 8. Senna alata - Candlestick cassia, candlebush Cabbage White - Mustard family, brassicaceae 1. The garden vegetable cabbage 2. Tropaeolum spp. - nasturtium California Dogface - Bean family, fabaceae 1. Amorpha californica - false indigo Dainty Sulphur - Aster family, asteraceae 1. Bidens spp. - Spanish needles Great Southern White - Mustard family, brassicaceae - Nasturtium family, tropaeolaceae - Saltwort family, bataceae Common White - Mustard family, brassicaceae Sara orangetip - Mustard family , brassicaceae Orange (Alfalfa) Sulphur - Bean family, fabaceae GOSSAMERS (blues, coppers, hairstreaks, Harvester) Gray Hairstreak - Mallow family, malvaceae 1. Sida spp. - broomweed 2. Hibiscus moscheutos - swamp rose mallow 3. Hibiscus coccineus - swamp hibiscus/Texas star 4. Desmodium genus - beggarweed 5. Trifolium repens - white clover 6. Medicago sativa - alfalfa Juniper Hairstreak 1. Juniperus virginiana - eastern redcedar Cassius Blue - Leadwort family, plumbaginaceae 1. Plumbago auriculata - leadwort 2. Plumbago scandens - wild plumbago Echo Blue (aka Spring Azure or Summer Azure) - Buckthorn family, rhamnaceae 1. Ceanothus spp. - California buckeye, California lilac Achmon Blue - Wild buckwheat family, polygonaceae 1. Eriogonum spp. - buckwheat Eastern Tailed Blue - clovers 1. Securigera (Coronilla) varia - crown vetch Atala - Zamia family, zamiaceae Great Purple (or Blue) Hairstreak - Mistletoe family, loranthaceae Harvester - In America, our only carnivorous butterfly. They feed on woolly aphids of the genera schizoneura and pemphigus. BRUSH-FOOTS (admirals, fritillaries, crescentspots, checkerspots, anglewings, ladies, tortoiseshells, leafwings, patches) Buckeye - Snapdragon family, scrophulariaceae - Plantain family, plantaginaceae - Vervain family, verbenaceae 1. Agalinis fasciculata - wild foxglove 2. Dyschoriste spp. - twinflower 3. Ruellia caroliniana - wild petunia 4. Ruellia succulenta - thickleaf wild petunia 5. Verbena hastata - blue vervain 6. Orthocarpus spp. - owl's clover 7. Plantago lanceolata - English plantain/ribgrass 8. Mimulus - monkey flower 9. Linaria vulgaris - butter & eggs 10. Linaria canadensis - blue toadflax 11. Linaria purpurea - purple toadflax 12. Galvezia speciosa - Island bush snapdragon 13. Diascia spp. - twinspur 14. Plantago major - greater or common plantain Most red-flowered and a few blue flowered passifloras will not support the butterflies that use these vines in the United States. Many red-flowered tropical passionvines are on the market. Please do not use them - they are similar enough to our own passionvines that our female butterflies will lay eggs on them, but the caterpillars will soon die. Gulf Fritillary - Passionvine family, passifloraceae 1. Passiflora incarnata - maypop 2. Passiflora suberosa - corky stemmed passionvine 3. Passiflora lutea - yellow passionflower 4. Passiflora alto - 'Amethyst'/'Lavender Lady'/'Star of Mikan' 5. Passiflora caerulea - blue passionflower/'Waterloo Blue' 6. Passiflora incarnata x cinnicata - incense passionflower 7. Passiflora vitifolia x caerulea - passionflower 'Lady Margaret' 8. Passiflora biflora - twin flower passionflower Zebra Longwing - Passionvine family, passifloraceae 1. Passiflora suberosa - corky stemmed passionvine 2. Passiflora biflora - two-flower passionvine 3. Passiflora lutea - yellow passionvine 4. Passiflora incarnata - purple passionflower or Maypops Ruddy Daggerwing - Fig family, moraceae 1. Ficus aurea - Florida strangler fig 2. Ficus citrifolia - wild banyan 3. Ficus benjamina - weeping fig 4. Ficus macrocarpa - Australian banyan Julia - Passionvine family, passifloraceae 1. Passiflora suberosa - corky stemmed passionvine 2. Passiflora lutea - yellow passionflower 3. Passiflora incarnata - maypop Painted Lady - Aster family, asteraceae 1. Borage 2. Sunflower 3. Malva sylvestris - High mallow 4. Malva parviflora - cheeseweed 5. Lavatera maritima - tree mallow 6. Thistles American Painted Lady - Aster family, asteraceae 1. Gnaphalium obtusifolium - cudweed, sweet everlasting 2. Gnaphalium falcatum - cudweed 3. Helichrysum petiolatum - licorice plant 4. Helichrysum thianschanicum - licorice icicles 5. Anaphalis margaritacea - pearly everlasting 6. Antennaria plantaginifolia - plantain-leaved pussy toes 7. Artemesia ludoviciana - Prairie Sage West Coast Lady - Mallow family, malvaceae 1. Lavatera maritima - tree mallow 2. Althea rosea - common hollyhock 3. Malva neglecta - common mallow Red-spotted Purple - Rose family, rosaceae - Willow family,salicaceae - Poplar family, populus 1. Salix nigra - black willow 2. Salix caroliniana - Carolina willow 3. Prunus serotina - wild black cherry 4. Prunus cerasifera - purple leaf plum 5. Malus angustifolia - Southern or wild crabapple 6. "hybrid crabapple" Variegated Fritillary - Passionvine family, passifloraceae - Violet family, viola 1. Passiflora incarnata - maypop 2. Viola floridana - common violet 3. Viola soraria - woolly blue violet 4. Viola tricolor - Johnny Jump-ups 5. Viola x Wittrockiana - pansies White Peacock - Snapdragon family, scrophulariaceae - Vervain family, verbenaceae 1. Bacopa caroliniana - water hyssop, lemon bacopa 2. Bacopa monnieri - water hyssop, herb of grace Viceroy - Willow family, salicaceae - Poplar family, populus 1. Salix nigra - black willow 2. Salix caroliniana - Carolina willow 3. Salix caprea - goat willow Phaon Crescentspot - Vervain family, verbenaceae 1. Phyla nodiflora - fogfruit Silvery Checkerspot 1. Echinacea purpurea - purple coneflower 2. Echinacea tennesseensis - Tennessee coneflower 3. Echinacea pallida - pale coneflower 4. Rudbeckia hirta - black-eyed susan 5. Liatris spicata - blazing star/gayfeather Baltimore Checkerspot 1. Plantago lanceolata - English or narrow-leaved plantain 2. Chelone glabra - white turtlehead 3. Chelone lyonii - turtlehead "hot lips" Question Mark - Nettle family, urticaceae - Elm family, ulmus 1. Humulus lupus - hops vine California Tortoiseshell - Buckthorn family, rhamnaceae 1. Ceanothus spp. Red Admiral - Nettle family, urticaceae 1. Urtica spp. - stinging nettle Goatweed Leafwing - Croton family, euphorbiaceae 1. Croton capitatum - goatweed Hackberry Emperor - Elm family, ulmaceae - Hackberry family, celtis 1. Celtis spp. - hackberry, sugarberry Great spangled Fritilary - Violet family, viola Mourning Cloak - Willow family, salicaceae - Cottonwood family, populus - Elm family, ulmus 1. Salix matsudana - corkscrew willow White Admiral - Birch family, betula - Willow family, salicaceae - Poplar family, populus 1. Prunus serotina - wild black cherry Lorquin's Admiral - Willow family, salicaceae California Sister - Oak family, quercus Malachite - Acanthus family, acanthaceae Bordered Patch - Asteraceae - sunflower family 1. Wedelia hispida - Zexmenia 2. Verbesina encelioides - Golden Crownbeard MILKWEED BUTTERFLIES Monarch - Milkweed family, asclepiadaceae 1. Asclepias currasavica - tropical/scarlet milkweed 2. Asclepias incarnata - swamp milkweed 3. Cynanchum laeve - honeyvine 4. Asclepias fascicularis - narrow-leaf milkweed 5. Asclepias speciosa - showy milkweed 6. Asclepias physocarpa - Balloon or Swan plant 7. Calotropis gigantea - giant milkweek or crown flower Queen - Milkweed family, asclepiadaceae 1. Sarcostemma clausa - whitevine 2. Asclepias currasavica - tropical/scarlet milkweed SKIPPERS Brazilian Skipper - Canna family, cannaceae - Arrowroot family, marantaceae 1. Thalia dealbata - powdery thalia Fiery Skipper - Grass family, Poaceae 1. Bermuda grass - Cynodon dactylon Silver-spotted Skipper - Bean family, fabaceae 1. Amorpha fruticosa - desert false indigo 2. Robinia pseudoacacia - black locust Long-tailed Skipper - Bean family, fabaceae Hoary Edge Skipper - Bean family, fabaceae 1. Amorpha fruticosa - desert false indigo 0gt;

Thanks for your response. We have a row of arborvitae that screened our deck from our neighbors. The deer have destroyed them and after several years it is obvious they need to go. Pictures below. Two years ago we started a new barrier behind the arborvitae with Dragon Lady hollies, cryptomeria, a yellow wood, and a weeping cedar. There is a hill so we do not need as much height, so 6 to 8 feet will work and more height is a bonus. This year we wanted to fill in holes so we were looking at Prague viburnum for the most important screening locations, a dwarf juniper, and several of the sweet thing magnolia. The magnolias will go higher up the hill where density is less critical. The new plants are staggered over a much larger area and not in a line like the arborvitae Unfortunately the cedar got borers and needs to be remove. We a looking at a weeping Serbian as a replacement. The goal is to set the evergreens and then fill in with various deciduous shrubs before cutting down the now ugly arborvitae. The only plant I did not know was the magnolia. I was told sweet thing will hold its leaves in the winter, grow 6 to 8 feet, and it deer resistant. What has your experience been?