the lime color might have been caused if you had a lot of rain, that washed the nutrients for a short time. the slow release fertilizer would have been fine. clipping the buds? removing leaves? i don't do any of that. Spraying may have burned the leaves, especially if it was hot. I would just hose them down real well and leave them alone.

If your roses were already burned by the Malathion, you don't want to spray them with fungicide. Keep washing the leaves and keep them well-watered, they should pull thru.

I cant think of any reason why I would clip the buds off my roses! I work hard to get those!! Did someone tell you to do that? I have heard of clipping the center bud of cluster roses to get the outer ones to open, but I have never heard to clip the buds of a rose like Mr. Lincoln which has single long stem blooms. I don't know whats wrong with your roses. Are you giving them enough water? Could you post a picture? Lots of people on here are great at identifying problems if they can see them.

Ok, I went out hosed them off and took some pics. Not sure how to post them, but here it goes.

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I normally don't cut any buds off the Mr Lincoln cause he very rarely produces them.

Last year he didn't bloom at all but shot out 2 branches about 7 ft tall. DH said I should cut them back but didn't. Now this year, He is covered in buds. It budded out in 3's just about every inch up the stem, so I trimmed off the 2 outer buds and left the center so it would get larger. Someone years ago told me to do this. I never had because it has never gotten more than a bud here and there, until this year.

Hubby says the climber pollinated the Mr Lincoln and now we have 2 climbers. I told him it can't do that. But then again I don't know. It sure is budding like the climber.

Hopefully the pics will help identify my problem.

Thanks

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To post your photos, you just want to click in the box marked "HTML Code", it copies automatically, then paste it here.

My $0.02. Many roses sold in the US are grafted onto another rose used as rootstock. The rose most commonly used is Dr. Huey, which is a once-blooming (in the spring), dark red, climber. I think your climber is Dr. Huey. It blooms on last year's growth, when you "cut back those tips", there went this year's blooms, you won't get any this year.

I think your Mr. Lincoln is "suckering", which is the term we use when Dr. Huey starts to grow. You can tell because Huey's canes are a lot thinner than Mr. Lincoln's, and grow fast. If Dr. Huey's canes are allowed to grow a lot, the grafted variety, Mr. Lincoln, weakens, and you end up with an entire plant of Dr. Huey. If you regularly cut back this plant in the spring, you've cut off the part that will bloom this year. You can try to dig down and find the start of the Dr. Huey canes and rip them off.

I agree with Len511, I think the plant was too dry when it was sprayed. The first and third photos definitely look like spray burn to me. The second photo could be a fungal disease, could just be old leaves dying off (if they were at the bottom of the plant). I would water them well and leave them for a week. You may need a fungicide. Fungal diseases are around all of the time. A rose that has been weakened will show symptoms quickly.

Here is a link that might be useful: Anatomy of a Bareroot from Regan Nursery

I didn't look at the pictures but after reading your post, I believe your Grandmother's rose is Dr. Huey, probably from a bush that suckered for her. If your Mr. Lincoln has similar buds and leaves it's probably suckered also. Mr Lincoln normally doesn't produce lots of small buds. That, along with last year's production of 7' canes would indicate it. Are the canes with the larger leaves producing lots of small buds also?
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The second picture looks like blackspot. The larger spots with the ash colored centers looks like anthracnose.
I see no insect damage so you've wasted the malathion.
The result may be a bad infestation of insects as you've killed any good predatory bugs with needless spray.
Fungicides should be sprayed as a preventative. Mancozeb, manzate, or diathane, which can kill blackspot and anthracnose but not remove existing spots, should be used now every three days for three applications followed by a good preventative fungicide used regularly as directed on the label. Many have reported good results with Bayer Disease Control. It available most everywhere.

Karl,
If they are having warm days and cool nights like we're having in Illinois, the spots are anthracnose. Mine looked like those two springs ago. Use Bayer Rose Disease Control. The spots will not go away and the leaf will not fall off as with blackspot. The center of the purple spot will turn a tan color and the center of the spot will drop out .So make sure the new foliage is protected and hope for some warmer weather!

Yes, it's probably anthracnose. The Bayer spray will take care of that, but it will clear up on it's own when the weather gets warmer. You can cut those leaves off if you want to, but you don't have to.

Both Dr. Huey and Mr. Lincoln are susceptible to black spot, so you should probably have a regular spray program to keep them clean.

Once a rose is established, it's pretty hard to kill it. Just keep them watered if you don't get rain. No fungal disease or insect is going to kill them. They just may look bad for awhile.

Wow so my grandmother's old climber is actually a sucker plant, and the actual rose probably died long ago? Or is it possible that she bought the Dr Huey? I will have to closer inspect the base to see where the shoots are coming from. Now that I know what I am looking at.

So how can you tell if a rose you have has been grafted onto different rootstock? Is that typical of a certain type of rose? Like tea hybrids or something like that?

And the DH was correct when he said the Mr Lincoln turned into a vine. Do I have to tell him he was right?

The new Canes on the Mr Lincoln that just came up this year are thicker, only have single buds and the leaves look pretty green and healthy. I will find where the suckers are coming up and cut those off.

One more question Diane NJ said that by clipping the ends of the vines I won't have blooms this year. So did I kill the buds that were on the plant when I clipped the tips? Is that why all the buds are turning brown and dying? I only clipped maybe a few inches off the tip of about half the vines. To remove the light lime green leaves.

I will keep the plant well watered and start an organic fungicide treatment and bug treatment. The more I read I realize I probably did kill some beneficial bugs and will not use the Malathion again. Fingers are crossed that by the end of summer both plants will look healthy.

Thank you all for all of your help it is very much appreciated.

Just checked both plant today.

They both are looking better.

But, I have sad news. It appears Mr Lincoln is dead. Upon further inspection after reading the above posts. It appears that all the new growth is coming from the bottom of the canes that are 7 ft long and there are no buds on them.

Last bloom I had from Mr Lincoln was 2 years ago. 1 big beautiful bloom. So apparently he passed then. I'm ready to dig it up and give it a proper funeral.

As for my grandmothers climber. Although it may not be what she originally planted I know that she took care of what it eventually became. So I will continue to care for it as it is, just for her.

Thanks for all the useful information everyone has given.

I'm sorry about your Mr. Lincoln. It's hard to tell sometimes what is going on. Yesterday I removed 2 large canes about 4 feet long that were growing from the root stock. I can't believe I didn't notice them before. I also have some growing on another rose, but I can't tell yet if it's root stock or not. I'm going to wait on those and see what happens.

If you loved Mr. Lincoln, you can probably get another one.