New species roses are doing well

10 years ago

The species roses I planted by the back fence last fall have grown a surprising amount already, I can't wait to see how much bigger they get though the year. It will be wonderful when they cover up the ugly fence and neighbors' trailer collection.

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Rosa Helenae is giving a very nice bloom for it's first year, the white truss of flowers is easy to spot across the yard and in the morning the whole corner is filled with a delightful spicy fragrance.

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Not a great picture, but it's the best I got showing the one long cane of R. Helenae stretching up into the tree I think is a volunteer pear.

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And this is Rosa gentiliana, it's looking like it's going to forgo blooming in favor of growing like crazy this year - which is just fine by me. I was excited to see that R. gentiliana held it's leaves through the cold spells in the fall and winter, and really happy to see that it leafed out and started growing at least a month before the Himalayan blackberries that like to infest that area. I'm hoping that after a few years of assistance the roses will be able to hold their own against the ever-encroaching blackberries.

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User
10 years ago
Gentiliana can take a few years to build up a head of steam for flowering....but what a lovely rose it is.....as is your delicious helenae. If you get a chance, have a look out for a gorgeous helenae hybrid called Lykkefund.......a lovely rose which is practically thornless as a bonus. One of the nicest aspects of helenae roses are the trusses of glowing orange heps which remain on the rose into winter. Top choices, there, Peachy Momo and I wish you the joy of them.
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Michaela (Zone 5b - Iowa)
10 years ago
Wow - that is very impressive for it's first year!!! Love the blooms. :)
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portlandmysteryrose
10 years ago
How wonderful to see roses take off like yours! There is something simply beaiutiful about species roses. I only have one but look forward to its delicate beauty every spring. Carol
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peachymomo
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10 years ago
Thanks everyone!

Camp, I have to say I'm not overly surprised you approve of these roses - I picked them because if your glowing recommendations. I'll keep an eye out for Lykkefund, it sounds like another winner ;o)

After collecting a variety of other types of roses, it really is interesting to see how much more vigorous the big ramblers and species roses are.

When choosing plants I tend to think of roses as an indulgence, not a 'good deed' plant like the natives and host plants for wildlife I have. But this year I've noticed quite a few tiny little native bees happily gathering nectar and pollen from most of my single and semi-double roses, which is delightful.
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annesfbay
10 years ago
Beautiful roses! I had to laugh when I read about your "good deed" plants. I have those too. I am happy to notice how some roses are good deed plants as bees seem to love them :-).

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sidos_house
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What a wonderful beginning, Peachy. There is something touching about the species roses. Personality-wise, it's as if they have more innocence than some of our pedigreed girls :) They are obviously happy in their home and soon will protect you from any unsightly views.

I'm glad to know to about the fragrance of Rosa Helenae. Thank you for posting about that.

I LOVE the idea of the "good deed" plant label. That would be an excellent marketing device!!
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation
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You should grow bracteata if you enjoy seeing the bees enjoy themselves. Her blooms are so big, with a such a big set of stamens, that my bees sleep in them! Apparently the blooms are the perfect bee pillows :D
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