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Request rose ID (no pics)

melissa_thefarm

13 years ago

This worked when I tried it last year, so once again I'm going to give you a verbal description of a mystery rose I have and see whether one of you can come up with an identification.

This is a once-blooming old rose that I bought as 'Georges Vibert', which it isn't. It's a lovely creature, however. The plant is a low, floppy shrub with mid green matte old rose foliage, moderate prickles and bristles (moderate both as to quantity and degree of ferocity), not much glandular development on the buds, which are fat with short sepals. The overall character of the rose is most like a Gallica, though the flowers are pale. The flowers are milky white shaded palest pink, double, with many petals folded in amongst themselves, a button eye, and a bit of green peering out from the center; the form of the open flower is like a low flattened dome. Blooms are about 2 1/2"-3" across. The scent is rich, soft old rose; not sharp, not overly sweet. I can't remember if it forms hips. The plant doesn't get any disease, but fungal diseases aren't a big problem here; it's a healthy sturdy plant.

As best as I can determine, my mystery isn't any of the following varieties: 'Belle Isis', 'Duchesse de Montebello', 'Blanchefleur', 'Botzaris', 'Leda', any Alba, and certainly not a Moss. I do have a possible identification, but would like to hear what others come up with.

Melissa

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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
13 years ago
Keeping in mind that my knowledge of the old European roses is extremely limited, I have say that the first (and only) rose that came to my mind was Mme. Hardy, although she's not a Gallica. There are probably scores of roses that fit your description, Melissa, but someone more versed in these roses will have to come to your aid.

Ingrid
User
13 years ago
Heres a good resource many uncommon galicas

Here is a link that might be useful: Rose
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melissa_thefarm
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13 years ago
Ingrid,
I forgot to put 'Mme. Hardy' on the "roses it can't be" list. If nothing else, MH is a tall growing rose, as well as different in bud.
Actually, I suspect there aren't that many candidates. Gallicas are mostly pink-red-purple-lilac hues; there aren't many pale ones. And this rose doesn't look have a hybridized look about it, so I can exclude Bourbons, Hybrid Perpetuals and certainly anything of predominantly oriental blood. It's not an Alba (tall and upright, smooth canes, thorns sparse and strong, blueish or grayish foliage) or a moss rose. It might possibly be a Centifolia or a Damask, though Centifolias tend to be lanky and nastily thorny, while this rose doesn't have the narrow tubular receptacle or the long fringed sepals that characterize most of the Damasks I'm acquainted with. So the field is narrower than you might think, or at least so it seems to me. I wouldn't have put the question if I thought it had an impossibly broad range of likely answers.
labrea,
Was that the site in a language you didn't know that made you want to make an order? I finally found out that it was Finnish (one of the few non-Indo-European languages of Europe, and nastily incomprehensible to just about everyone who's not a Finn). It's spectacular! I wanted all those Gallicas too!
Melissa
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13 years ago
It is daunting on that level as I ddo't speak finish either but I use it as a resource to help identify roses without labels or mislabeled roses at some of the botanical gardens.
Picture & name is all I need. I found it several years ago on another rose forum

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