Roses with glossy foliage
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Comments (37)Purlisa: I no longer post for the pubic, but I make exceptions when people ask for me specifically. I respect & learn from honest folks like you who share about their garden. I learn more from honest folks who talk about problems in their garden, than gorgeous pics. of roses (with zero details as to type of soil & pH-level & climate & annual rainfall). That's my pet-peeve in HMF, folks just post pics, without specifying if it's own-root or grafted, zero info. on planting zone & type of soil & climate. If you click on my Houzz profile-picture , I updated to include tips on how to tell which own-roots are appropriate for which soil pH, type of soil & climate, just by looking at the leaves. https://www.houzz.com/user/strawchicago I received 8 roses yesterday 6/15 from RU summer sale, they are BIG, and some are over 2 feet tall & with buds & blooms .. very healthy. These roses are bigger & more blooms that the 7 roses I bought full-price early May. My last house was acidic clay: soft & easy to dig, with blue hydrangeas & deep-colors roses. My current house is alkaline clay: rock-hard, need a pick-ax to dig, pink hydrangeas, and roses have faded colors. Roses are much healthier in alkaline clay. My purpose of posting is to help foiks NOT to make the same mistakes like I did in my 30+ years of growing roses, and 110 own-root varieties. My B.S. is in Computer Science, minor in Chemistry, so I want to use my background to help folks. If you have sticky & dense clay, skip the Epsom salt (magnesium sulfate), since it hardens clay further. MAGNESIUM DEFICIENCY IS RARE, EXCEPT IN SANDY SOIL (this is from the booklet when I got my soil tested by EarthCo.) My sticky clay soil was tested exceedingly high in magnesium. Skip the molasses, I tested for many years and it attracts rose-slugs, plus sugarly stuff LOWERS soil pH, sugar sours things fast. Azomite is similar to dolomitic lime (both have pH 9), but Azomite works faster. Digging deep, and remove the dense & icky clay & rocks at bottom helps with drainage, so acidic rain water don't sit at the bottom to rot roots. If your clay soil is acidic, COARSE sand (paver's sand) is good on top. BAGGED SAND AT STORES IS VERY ALKALINE, so it will neutralize the acidity of rain. Niels in Denmark, with hundreds of roses, put sand on top of his acidic clay. Skip the alfalfa, it becomes VERY ACIDIC like Kimchi if decays in acidic rain water. Many folks report roses breaking out in blackspots after "sour alfalfa tea", it's like watering roses with sauerkraut or Kimchi-water. At least Kimchi or sauerkraut has salt to control the acidity, but I already tested acidic-alfalfa-tea and it made leaves thinner, thanks to its acidity. Since my clay is rock-hard alkaline at pH near 8, I use acidic pine bark (pH 4) to fix my clay. People root roses in sand. I read a book by a CA rose-grower on the coast (mild temperate climate), he bought a land filled with sand and converted into a rose nursery, to sell cut-flowers !! Here's an excerpt from Houzz when I googled on clay .. folks in CA have heavy abode clay, while I have dolomitic clay. But both are mineral-rich clay. Kittymoonbeam have over 100+ roses in Southern CA, wrote this in Houzz .. from my experience I agree with her 100% .. I killed plenty of roses with acidic organic matter in the planting hole. And Roses Unlimited's tip of 1 cup of alfalfa meal mix-in WORKS ONLY FOR THEIR ALKALINE-TAP WATER inside nursery, but NOT FOR OUTDOOR ACIDIC RAIN, with pH 4.5 in my Chicagoland, and even more acidic rain on the East Coast. Kittymoonbeam - "I just came from a soils class by a local nurseryman. He said DON'T add organic amendment into the soil. The plants only tolerate it, not prosper in it. The short of it is that eventually it breaks down and rots causing oxygen problems in the root zone. A NASA guy said NO terrestrial plant wants to live in ground up dead tree. So most potting soils are only good for maybe 5 months, then they start harming plants. The growers know the plants can only survive a short period before they decline in that mix. Potting up in non amended soil causes no harm. You can grow in 100 percent sand as long as you water and feed often enough. Strawberry leaves from plants grown in sand were twice the size of those in the premium potting mix! There are no overwatering issues. Why the change from propagation in soil to wood products is a long story. However, we've all been taught to do it. But no one ever used to in the old days. Disneyland removed their riverbed soil and replaced with amended soil. After a few years, they took it all out and purchased new riverbed sandy loam and now they only mulch on top. This is all new to me but that's the way it was for millions of years. The organic stuff stays on top where it breaks down and travels to the roots below. Roots want a purely mineral soil with as much oxygen as they can get and still be moist." Kittymoonbeam. Lauren (Los Angeles, 10a, Sunset Zone 19) - kittymoonbeam, that does seem to make sense. Limited personal experience has also showed me that top dressing compost with shredded leaves/mulch produced better results than than simply mixing some compost into the surrounding soil" Lauren...See MoreFavorite garden links: rose fragrance, diseases & pests, fertilizer
Comments (51)Got curious about compost tea. This is the second time I checked. Early this summer time I spent 1 hour researching but was disappointed. Here's one link from United Kingdom on compost tea (unbiased, NOT sponsored by compost-tea industry): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/gardeningadvice/11121288/Compost-tea-does-it-really-work.html " What did they find? In a glasshouse study on lavender and choisya, none of the compost teas had any effect on growth or on susceptibility to botrytis (grey mould) or spider mites. Sometimes plants treated with compost tea were taller, sometimes they were shorter, sometimes there was no difference. Sometimes plants treated with compost tea were of higher quality, but often they weren’t, and treated choisya plants at one nursery were significantly worse. In short, the effects of compost teas were “extremely inconsistent”. Other links from U.S.A: http://www.walterreeves.com/landscaping/compost-tea-does-it-work/ From University of New Hampshire: https://extension.unh.edu/articles/Does-compost-tea-really-work From University of Vermont: http://www.uvm.edu/vtvegandberry/factsheets/composttea.html Excerpt from above link: " It’s not clear whether it’s necessary to aerate during compost tea production. Aeration can speed up the production time, but it may also add to equipment cost and complexity. There are claims that aeration helps kill off the organisms that can cause illness. Very few studies have compared aerated and non-aerated compost teas. Some recent research. A 2-year study by the Rodale Institute and Pennsylvania State University evaluated the use of aerated compost tea for disease suppression and crop stimulation in grapes, potatoes, and pumpkins. During year one, approximately 50% suppression of powdery mildew was observed in the compost tea treated grape plots. A slight reduction of gray mold, along with an INCREASE in the level of downy mildew, was observed in the compost tea treated plot during the first year at one of the vineyards. Compost tea failed to suppress powdery mildew on Howden pumpkins in year one, but reduced the number and size of pathogen colonies in year two. Compost tea did not reduce severity of late blight on Superior potatoes when disease was present in year two. " http://www.uvm.edu/vtvegandberry/factsheets/composttea.html *** From Straw: FOR ROSES, just spraying with alkaline tap water alone is enough to suppress mildew, as testified by Roseseek (Kim Rupert) in CA and rosarian Dave Boyd in HMF. For mildew, just plain tap-water spray (alkaline pH over 8) is enough to contain mildew, as rosarian Dave Boyd in a dry climate (only 13" of moisture per year) testified in HMF: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=3.4748...See MoreNo name glossy foliage and beautifull flowers
Comments (6)You are right Kate the flowers look so similar but the growth is the reason why I wanted someone who have Mystic beauty to have a look. This is her first year and already doing better then some 2year old I added to the garden it just kills me that I don't know what it is have 2roses that are a mystery. I have been looking at kordes roses and they do have some similar in flower shape but none really look like mine....See Morepeachiekean
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6 months agoI've got quite a few shiny leaved roses, but the pics don't show the leaves very well. But among my shiniest are the leaves of Bernstein-Rose, a Tantau, and Rouge Royale.
Oops, the leaves don't look shiny on Caramel Antique, but they were. Sorry about toes.
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6 months agoI found a photo of my shiny Le Petite Prince--these are in the shade and they are completely dry!
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6 months agolast modified: 6 months agoAmong my 160 own-root varieties, I notice that roses with glossy leaves bloom best with constantly wet soil, thus best in clay (clay retains moisture). Never see blackspots on Savannah for the many years as own-root in my poor drainage clay. Leaves are glossy:
Rouge Royal has glossy leaves, but it's a black-spot fest with wimpy own-roots. Rouge Royal would blackspot when soil is too dry due to tiny own-root, also blackspot if waterlogged in my high-rain & no spray garden.
Never see blackspots on Sweet Promise 2007 (French Romantica), leaves are super glossy and own-root is vigorous & constant bloomer:
Sweet promise is the precursor of Sweet Mademoiselle. Both are low-thorn waterhogs:
Below 12th-year own-root Christopher Marlowe (older Austin rose) has thick & shiny and glossy foliage:
11th-year own-root Evelyn has shiny & glossy leaves and does well in poor drainage & wet clay:
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6 months agolast modified: 6 months agoAmber Queen has glossy leaves, but it's a blackspot fest due to wimpy own-root that cannot handle spring flood in poor drainage clay. Scent is just as good as Golden Celebration.
Anna's Promise also has glossy leaves, but being yellow/orange, its own-root is shallow & tiny, scent is light:
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5 months agolast modified: 5 months agoOrchid Romance has very glossy leaves, but it's a waterhog and needs tons of rain to bloom. The scent is very good old rose, never see blackspots or mildew in its 8 years as own-root.
Plum perfect has glossy leaves & no scent so I gave that away. Tchaikovsky is my most favorite GLOSSY leaves own-root since 2014, never see any blackspots or mildew:
Summer Sun (Kordes) rose below has glossy leaves. Leaves are 100% perfect even now at 22 F last night (Thanksgiving) 11/23/23. Pic. below is in the summer.
Others mentioned Desdemona and Eden with glossy leaves. Floweraremusic (Andrea) told me how her Eden exploded with blooms under the rainspout in a rainy week.My Barbara Streisand had very glossy and could not handle full-sun as own-root. Below Rouge Royal and Baronne de Rothchild both have very glossy leaves as own-roots, and can handle sun better.
Diane Brakefield
5 months agoKristine, even though recent temps have been quite cold again, Berstein-Rose leaves look like it was June. I think they must be the toughest leaves in my garden, and very pretty, too. I never remove leaves. It's every rose for itself, so when I prune in March, the last of the leaves come off on their own. I have enough chores to do without removing leaves. That's the roses' job. Diane
I believe bernstein means amber in German.
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5 months agolast modified: 5 months agoDiane: Gorgeous deep yellow on your Bernstein rose !! South Africa is on my wish-list since it has deep yellow blooms and dark-green glossy leaves (means it's a waterhog and will like my wet & poor drainage clay with high-rain).
Neil Diamond has glossy leaves but it's a total wimp as own-root, I should had bought Parade Day (with glossy leaves) and a better bloomer. Below is my wimpy Neil Diamond:
I saw Austin rose Strawberry Hill at nearby rose park (alkaline clay) and leaves are glossy but blooms had zero scent, so I never buy Strawberry Hill. Olivia Austin rose has glossy leaves, but I have too many light pinks already.I took out Falstaff from my order from GardenRoses LLC and replace with GLOSSY leaves The Generous Gardener since it does well for a nearby friend with wet clay soil & high rain climate. I have too many reds already.
My experience with glossy leaves roses: prefer wet clay and soil high in potassium. Glossy leaves can take my poor-drainage clay and high-rain climate without blackspots.
A friend (Khalid in Pakistan) posted a pic. of his Tradescant with glossy leaves. Another friend recently gave me a rooting of his VERY GLOSSY leaves Tradescant,, below pic. is his .. I'll make sure that own-root Tradescant gets partial shade and in soaking wet clay.
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5 months agolast modified: 5 months agoBelow FlowerCarpet Coral has very glossy leaves and always healthy since 2005 in my garden in poor drainage clay that killed other roses. The most glossy leaves I have ever seen was FlowerCarpet Amber, sold at Lowe's. I still regret NOT buying that.
Below FlowerCarpet in my garden is in partial shade:
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