noooo noooo!! see the problem with the snow, is that my feet get all scared!! that means that they have to go into the dark place!! Hee Hee. they are afraid of it!@ i keep telling my hubs that we have to move to a warmer location, so i can keep my plants outside, and so i can wear my flip flops, he can find a nice prison guard job somewhere, he said, all i hear is i, me, my, plants. i just looked at him dumbly and smiled lovingly. and just told him how much i love him. and.....of course you know, i said honey, when do you want your hair cut?? then went back to reading nicely. Hee Hee Now Beth!!! i'm so sorry to say, you know how you screamed with the email?? i woulda been doing that had hubs told me that i had to get rid of my plants. then i woulda agreed that i will get rid of some of my plants when he sells some of his guns!!! :') i only think that would be fair!! at least i use mine!!! **big grinn** ~Medo p.s. Kym no more talk of snow.......PLEASE!!! **smiling**

Maybe a Silphium? They're native wildflowers you might see in a garden center in Illinois. Prarie Dock, Silphium terebinthinaceum, has big basal leaves. WW Here is a link that might be useful: Prarie Dock

Thanks so much for your warm welcoming attitude, Pitt. I just didn't want to post too much. I have a tendency to want to grow EVERYTHING that is gorgeous and interesting to ME, and very often customers want to know what "this" flower is and "that" flower is, never knowing it existed! There are some here that are OBVIOUSLY not suitable for cutting (stem length-alyssum/hollyhock/morning glory, too "wild & rangy"-like ratibida, not long enough lasting-papaver?, or just not worth it in a zone with a short growing season like mine) but if something here "seems" unable to be cut, but YOU KNOW CAN be cut for SHORT bouquets, please inform me! I don't have that much more room in my yard, so I really need to pare this list down! Also, if any of these are much better GROWING FROM AN ESTABLISHED PLANT, instead of by my starting from seed, would you mind letting me know? PS-I don't have any phlox yet! :0) Agastache foeniculum Lavender Hyssop Agastache Tutti frutti Agastache rupestris Alcea Dwarf Hollyhock Majorette Mix Alcea Hollyhock Old Farmyard Mix Alcea rosea Nigra-singles Alcea rosea (hot pink hollyhock) Alcea rosea (single pink,dk.pk.throat) Alyssum Royal Carpet Amaranthus Intense Purple-tall Ammi majus Antirrhinum Gumdrop Mix Antirrhinum Large snap mix Antirrhinum Tetra Mix Aquilegia (pink) Aquilegia (yellow) Aquilegia Bonnets (pinks) Aquilegia Mrs. Scott Ellis Aquilegia Ruby Port Aquilegia Wm. Guinness Asclepias incarnata Balsam Double Camellia Mix Basilicum (Cinnamon/Mexican Basil Mix) Bellis perennis (English daisy-pink) Berkheya purpurea Zulu Warrior Buddleia Honeycomb Calendula Citrus Cocktail Calendula Fancy Mix Calendula Kablouna Dore Calendula Kablouna Gold Calendula Pacific Beauty Calendula Porcupine Calendula Radio Calendula Sunny Girl Double Calendula Touch of Red Callistephus chinensis (Aster Crego mix) Callistephus chinensis Orange Sherbet Callistephus chinensis Powderpuff Mix Callistephus chinensis Seastar Mix Campanula persicifolia (Peachleaf Bellflower/blue) Campsis radicans (yellow/apr.trumpet vines) Canterbury Bells mix Cardinal Vine Celosia Burgundy Supercrest Celosia spicata Centaurea cyanus Mix (Bachelor's Buttons) Centaurea cyanus Blue Boy Centaurea cyanus Persian cornflower (pink) Centaurea Cornflower "Black Ball" Centaurea Double Mixed batchelor buttons Centaurea imperialis Sweet Sultan Centaurea Montana/mountain bluet Chives (Herb) Chrysanthemum carinatum (Love, but JBs devour these!) Chrysanthemum coccineum/Perennial Painted Daisy Chrysanthemum Coconut Ice Cleome Four Queens Mix Cleome Rose Queen Coleus Rainbow Mix Collinsia heterophylla (Chinese Houses) Consolida Giant Imperial Mix Larkspur Consolida Shades of Blue Consolida Larkspur Kaleidoscope Mix Consolida Larkspur Sublime Bicolor Convolvulus(Bush-type morning glory) Blue Enchantment Cosmos Double Click Cosmos Seashells Mix Cosmos Single Sensation Mixed Colors Cosmos sulphureus Orange Cosmos Sunset (orange/red) Crocosmia/montbretia Cynoglossum Mystery Rose Dahlia Rainbow Mix Dahlia Unwins Mix Datura (large, white) Delphinium Astolat Delphinium Blue Mirror Delphinium King Arthur Delphinium Magic Fountains Mixed Colors (Dwarf) Dianthus barbatus (Sweet William single mix) Dianthus Chabaud Great Carnation Mix **POSSIBLY Dianthus AMAZON purple coming (from a trade!!)** Dicentra eximia (Fernleaf bleeding heart) Dierama (Angel's Fishing Rod) Digitalis alba Digitalis Camelot lavender Digitalis Candy Mountain Digitalis Excelsior Hybrids mixed colors Digitalis purpurea Foxy mix Dill (Organic), Bouquet Echinacea pallida Echinacea paradoxa Echinacea tennesseensis Echinacea White Swan Echinops ritro Erygium (blue) Erysimum allionii (Wallflower-yellow/orange) Eucalyptus Mix Eupatorium (Joe Pye Weed) French honeysuckle/scarlet (climber/scrambler) Fritillaria langeolata Fritillaria meleagris (Snakeshead/Checkered fritillary) Gaillardia Aristata (Blanketflower) Gaillardia Burgundy Gaillardia Fanfare P *may not come true Gaillardia Summer's Kiss Gaillardia Sundance Bicolor Gaillardia Yellow Sun Gaura Siskiyou Pink Gazania Sunset Colors Gazania (white) Gazania (white/purple stripe) Geranium (Frost-Hardy mix) Geranium pratense Splish Splash cranesbill Gomphrena QIS mix Gypsophilia elegans (pink) Gypsophilia paniculata Early Snowball (white dbl.) Gypsophilia (white baby's breath) Helenium (red, I believe) Helenium Bright Buttons Helenium Mardigras Helenium Moerheim Beauty Helenium Red Army Helianthus Double Quick Orange Helianthus Honey Bear Helianthus Infrared Helianthus Lemon Aura Helianthus Lemon Queen Helianthus Mammoth Russian Helianthus Monet's Palette Helianthus Moulin Rouge Helianthus Parasol Mix Helianthus Pro Cut Lemon Helianthus Pro Cut Orange Helianthus Ring of Fire Helianthus Sole Doro Helianthus Sundance Kid Helianthus Teddy Bear Helichrysum Strawflower Dwarf Mix Helichrysum Tall Double Mix Heliopsis scabra Summer Sun Hemerocallus "Pink" Hemerocallus/various crosses Hesperis matronalis (Dame's Rocket) Hibiscus mosch.:Disco Belle/S.Belle mix Iberis Dwarf Fairy (Candytuft) Ipomea Heavenly Blue Morning Glory Ipomea Choice Mixed Colors Morning Glory Ipomea Crimson Rambler Morning Glory Ipomea Sunrise Serenade Morning Glory Iris (Spuria) Lagurus ovatus (Bunny Tail Grass) Lathyrus Bijou Mix Lathyrus odoratus Spencer Mix Lathyrus odoratus Old Spice Mix Lathyrus Sweet Pea Burpee Patio Mix (bush type) Leonotus leonurus Leucanthemum Aglaia Shasta Daisy Leucanthemum Alaska Shasta Daisy Leucanthemum Crazy Daisy (*already have this growing) Leucanthemum Silver Princess Daisy (same as above) Leucanthemum Snow Lady Daisy Leucanthemum Wirral Pride Lilium Orienpet Mix Lilium philippenense (white) Linum rubrum (Scarlet Flax) Lobelia cardinalis Lupinus Russell's Hybrid Mix Lychnis chalcedonica (Maltese Cross) Lychnis coronaria (Rose Campion) Malope trifida (Mallow Vulcan) Malva sylvestrus Zebrina Melissa officinalis (Lemon Balm) Mina Lobata - Spanish Flag Moluccella Laevis (Bells of Ireland) Monarda citriodora Monarda lambada Monarda Panorama Mix Myosotis sylvatica Firmament Forget-Me-Nots Narcissi (no description) Nasturtium Scarlet Gleam Improved Nigella hispanica Exotica (Love-in-a-Mist) Nigella "Jewels" (Love-in-a-Mist) Orlaya grandiflora Papaver coral w/purple center Papaver Danish Flag Papaver Drama Queen Papaver orientale mix (white, salmon, reds) Papaver rhoeas Papaver Shirley Mix (Double) Papaver somniferum Black Peony Poppy Papaver somniferum/Hot pink w/dk. ctr,fringed Pardancanda norrissi-purples(have a y/o one growing already) Passiflora Maypop Penstemon Red Rocks Polygonum orientalis(Kiss Me Over The Garden Gate) Platycodon Balloon Flower Platycodon Fuji Blue Platycodon Axminster Streaked Ratibida columnifera (Mexican Hat) Rose Campion Rudbeckia hirta Cherokee Sunset Rudbeckia hirta Gloriosa Daisy Mix Rudbeckia hirta Double Gold Rudbeckia Green Wizard Rudbeckia hirta Irish Eyes Rudbeckia hirta Prairie Sun Rudbeckia Sonora (*possibly-not sure) Rudbeckia Toto Salvia Bonfire Scabiosa atropurpurea (deep red, frosted white) Scabiosa Mix Scabiosa (yellow) Statice Mixed Tabebuia (yellow) Tagetes (Marigold) Crackerjack Mixed Tagetes (Marigold) Harlequin Tagetes (Marigold) Petite Yellow Tagetes (Marigold) Simba Tagetes (Marigold) Snowdrift Tagetes (Marigold) Sweet Cream Tagetes (Marigold) Tiger Eyes Talinum paniculata (Jewels of Opar) Tanacetum coccineum/Painted Daisies (pk/red) Tecoma San Alata (orange honeysuckle) Verbena bonariensis (Purpletop verbena) Viola Tricolor "Miss Helen Mount"/Johnny Jump-Up Zinnia Candy Cane Mix Zinnia Elegans California Giant Zinnia Giant Cactus Mix Zinnia Giant Enchantress Zinnia Giant Violet Queen Zinnia Old Mexico Zinnia Paintbrush Mixed Colors Zinnia Persian Carpet Zinnia Red Spider Zinnia Royal Purple Zinnia Scabiosa Pastel Mix Zinnia Scarlet King Zinnia State Fair Mix Zinnia Whirligig Zinnia Zowie! Flame Perennial Wildflower Mix Daisy Garden Wildflower Mix After all of this, I hope that you are still my "friends" (wink). :0) Phyl

Hi Mary, I've learned a lot from this forum as well! Another factor in my preferences is I'm getting older and don't want to bend down low to "smell the roses." Tall, fragrant & low maintenance is what I want for my garden these days. Fragrant miniatures I hope to keep potted & up higher to enjoy. Yes, there is crown hardy, then there is cane hardy. Most of the Morden roses are only crown hardy for me - their canes die but they grow back fast & strong. But not all zones are the same (ex. my neighbour's Morden Sunrise rarely dies back & is 4 feet tall, mine dies back to the snowline. I swear they're at least half a zone warmer than me!), maybe that's why cane hardiness is rarely described on tags. A quick run down of some of the rose groups as I informally think of them, based on what is available to me. I'm sure there are more official ways (and multiple names) to describe them. They overlap in the sense that some Explorers are "rugosas", some Explorers are "modern": Types: Species (wild roses such as woodsii, arkansana, virginiana, etc. My understanding is all roses are bred from species roses, which affect the hardiness depending on the species used.) Rugosas (rugose leaves) Rugosa hybrids (cross between a rugosa and a modern rose) Scotch (aka Spinossisima or Burnet) Gallicas (dark rich colours, once blooming) Albas (modtly soft pinks, fragrant, once blooming) Hybrid teas (not hardy for me, but often fragrant with large blooms. Ex. 'Peace' or 'Double Delight') Modern (I use this term to describe the mixed bag of roses developed in the last few decades. These are usually somewhat shrubby, lower maintenance & meant for the garden.) And then there are "brands". These are usually developed from a rose breeder or company with specific goals in mind. Some brands available to me: Canadian Explorer (ex. Martin Frobisher, Jens Munk, John Cabot, Frontenac & more. Most are tough/hardy, but many are larger) Canadian Parkland (ex. Morden Blush, Moden Sunrise, Winnipeg Parks, Hope for Humanity & more. Smaller compared to the Explorers, flashier flowers, but poorer health for some.) Canadian Artist (ex. Oscar Peterson, Campfire & more.) 49th Parallel (ex. Chinook Sunrise, Canadian Shield & more. The latest series of Canadian roses.) Pavement Series (ex. Snow Pavement, Purple Pavement & more. Mostly rugosas.) David Austin (ex. Heritage, Golden Celebration & more. Famous as Engligh shrub roses) Buck Roses Collection (ex. Distand Drums, Prairie Princess & more. Known for good health. ) Oso Easy from Proven Winners (these make a great landscaping rose for constant colour but I don't grow them as they are low growing and usually not fragrant to my nose). Note, the name Prairie at the beginning has been used by a few different companies/breeders. Although some may share some of the same parents, not all do. For example, Prairie Peace and Prairie Celebration are very different. My latest interest are roses like Therese Bugnet, which was bred in Alberta. Here's a garden shot from 2017, things are a little late to bloom this year: