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14 years ago

Burgundy Iceberg?

My husband and I love the color, size, constant blooming and disease resistance of BI.

However, its blooms blow quickly and burn to a crisp in mid summer. Also, it is a gangly plant, insisting on flowering at the tips of 12-20 inch candelabras with no leaves on them.

Any ideas? I'd like a similarly colored rose. I saw someone's photos of Francis Dubreuil on the gallery forum, but I was very confused by what HMF said about it. They list it as a tea that's hardy to zone 4, and has repeat blooming. I had it in my head that teas were rather delicate in the cold, so I was confused.

Anyway, this is a fairly prominent place in the garden, so I'd like frequent or long lasting blooms that don't burn - I don't have many dark roses though...is full Colorado sun just not the place for a dark rose? Also, the plant could be tall, but not terribly wide. Rust resistance would be a huge plus, as it would have at least 1 rust inclined companion. Black spot isn't an issue here.

Thank you so much for any ideas...I will check out our local rose garden once it gets going, but I don't recall them having much in that color range.

Best,

Lara

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lagomorphmom
14 years ago
You will probably want to replace it anyway, but if you have a place with some half day sun, that might help with the crispies.

For the gangliness, I have mine at our mtn place in my 'purple plot' in the back with a rose of sharon and an Intrigue. In front of their 'legs', I have smaller light pinks Gruss an Auchen and Sharifa Asma. Project isn't done yet, I have some small ogrs that I am going to add. Tucked in here and there are small perennials. Just a thought if you have room to re-home it.

Kerin
lilgreenfrog
Original Author
14 years ago
I have thought of re-homing it, but I really don't have the room, unless I start tearing up grass and rerouting sprinklers! Unfortunately my BI is nice and bushy near the ground; it gets gangly at the top. From the ground to 3 feet up there are lovely leaves; arising from the leaves are clusters of bare cane that go for a foot or more before putting on buds. It's weird.
Intrigue looks lovely; is it generally lighter or darker for you? Also, who else lives in your purple plot?! Do you have pictures for me to drool on?

Thanks for your reply!

Lara
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
14 years ago
I love the color of Intrigue, a rose I had some years ago. I bought it again at our new house but didn't keep it because the bush just isn't very graceful (I mostly grow old roses that have a nicer growth habit). I also have BI and I think what you mention tends to be an Iceberg trait, although my BI doesn't do that. Intrigue doesn't have that bare cane look. If you have a place with afternoon sun that would work best. Purple roses in the summer heat tend to fry easily and afternoon shade does help.

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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
14 years ago
I understand this rose is actually not a tea but a hybrid tea named Barcelona. That might explain the hardiness question.

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lagomorphmom
14 years ago
"From the ground to 3 feet up there are lovely leaves; arising from the leaves are clusters of bare cane that go for a foot or more before putting on buds. "

Might anyone have a comment on maybe a fertilizer issue? I don't think my 'candelabras' go up a foot. Bearing in mind also it's not in any way gonna look like an HT.....
lilgreenfrog
Original Author
14 years ago
Annoyingly, I don't have any good pictures of it, since I didn't like how it looked! I guess I expected it to act more like my other floribundas or shrub roses, where the flowers aren't "long stemmed", but sit right above the foliage. In looking at some of my HTs, Burgundy Iceberg was more like them in form. I don't probably fertilize enough; I do give them manure, and I had to give BI iron this year.

That said; does anyone grow The Rook? Are gallicas repeat bloomers?

Thanks,
Lara
diane_nj 6b/7a
14 years ago
Gallicas are once-bloomers. The description of The Rook at helpmefind.com says "Prolific, once-blooming spring or summer."

Here is a link that might be useful: The Rook info from Helpmefind.com
predfern
14 years ago
Tradescant is dark red and does not have any problem with afternoon sun.
elemire
14 years ago
It is strange about Burgundy Iceberg, my friend has it in her garden and it is a normal bush, no weird growth. Did you try to peg those shots, I can't recall if the canes of BI are flexible enough?
artemis_pa
14 years ago
I axed Burgundy Iceberg for exactly the same reason. Annoying rose. I adore the color I get from Midnight Blue. The color does fade after a few days, but this rose is quick to repeat. The blooms are small and in bunches, so it illuminates. I have mine sitting next to Julia Childs...beautiful.
lilgreenfrog
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14 years ago
Artemis - what a lovely rose! Thanks! Do you have any trouble with it rusting?

Predfern - tell me about Tradescant - is it a monster for you? How much dieback do you get?

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